• thomasrdotorg

    I’d like to publicly apologise to Keagan for laughing at the result. Four seconds? Guess we’ll have to go again :)

    • Keagan Girdlestone

      It’s okay Tom, I forgive you. I guess it’s payback for all the weight jokes ;)

      • David Bonnett

        Keagan – very nice effort; I think Tom should make up for his laughing by swapping places with you and having a go himself.

        • thomasrdotorg

          …on the descent.

  • jules

    according to my PM (which i wonder about) my power isn’t completely out of the league of Keagan’s, but my time certainly is.. #moobs

  • Andy Logan

    Impressive numbers, indeed!

  • Ben

    #backyougo, also this is obviously an honest solo effort. another strategy is that you can roll with a bunch until the end of the false flat and then go solo from there!

  • Matt Keenan

    17 years old. 17! wow.

  • RomanTheCube

    That was amazing. What a cracking effort for a 17 year old. My lungs hurt and I am tasting blood just at the sight of this video

  • Neil_Robinson

    In the pre-strava days Trent Lowe did a 13:02, there’s video as proof that can be seen in CT’s interview with trent a few years back http://cyclingtips.com.au/2011/03/interview-with-trent-lowe/

    • Hi Neil, did you happen to read the piece? ;)

      • Neil_Robinson

        it seems i scrolled after the graphs, apologies for suggesting that the info had been missed.

    • Hi Neil, did you happen to read the piece? ;)

    • Mike

      Trent Lowe did it from a standing start as well.

      • A good point Mike. There’s probably a few seconds in that. I love how long it takes Rob Eva on the motorbike to catch up to Trent. The bloke was flying.

        • Mike

          still one of my fav cycling vids, that one.

  • Marty

    Is this going to replace everesting now, who can conquer the 1in20 faster than 12 minutes?

    • Ha, I don’t think so. As tough as Everesting is (and it’s very tough) it’s a reasonably accessible challenge for recreational cyclists who are willing to train hard and suffer through the ride. I’d suggest that a sub-12 minute 1 in 20 is getting close to impossible and that if it were possible, only a select few would have the genetic ‘head-start’ to give them a shot of getting there.

      • jules

        i’ve been riding and racing regularly at lower club levels for a couple of years. it’s hard to understate just how ridiculous a 13 minute time up 1/2 is, let alone 12 (which is fantasy). until you’ve done the training and improved your times marginally, yet remained so far away from that mark, you wouldn’t appreciate how ridiculous it is.

      • Robert Merkel

        What Matt said.

        However, having an all-out crack at the 1 in 20 is a great exercise to try.

        For those that haven’t, the first thing you’ll discover is just how large a gap there is between you and the likes of Keagan (or you’ll be Brendan Canty, discover that there isn’t that much of a gap, and start getting your bikes and gear supplied).

        The second thing you’ll discover is how hard it is to get pacing right. Even after quite a number of attempts I still end up going out a fraction too hard most of the time.

      • peter

        yep totally agree Matt , to do times like this you need special genes , doesn’t matter how much training you’ve done or if your riding a $20,000 bike most of us this sort of time is impossible. What is the same is we all suffer as much.

    • Ryder

      Replace everesting? No. Replace attempts at the world hour record? Yes please!

  • Marty

    Is this going to replace everesting now, who can conquer the 1in20 faster than 12 minutes?

  • Col

    Only ~7.5 minutes slower than the Strava descent record. Amazing

  • For those that are interested, Brendan Canty also holds the Strava KOM for another Melbourne benchmark climb: Kinglake. Brendan completed the 7.2km climb in 15:14 (http://www.strava.com/activities/232546738#5486315127) — an average speed of 28.3km and average power of 379W (roughly 6.4W/kg). That’s a shade faster than the record of 15:16 that Will Walker held up there for quite a while. I haven’t heard of anyone doing it faster than Canty, but others might have?

    • jules

      it’s meaningless for people to say “I did it in X before Strava” unless you can be sure they used the same timing markers. I usually don’t know where I’m starting from and finishing at when I have a crack, but Strava takes care of the timing for you. Watching that video, I can see that by starting my effort earlier there’s a few seconds to be shaved off my 1/20 time :)

    • Brendan Canty

      Nice video and article covering Keagan’s effort – it’s good to see him suffer as i did during my effort! Elaborating a little bit more on the Kinglake time, I would probably say that this was slightly better than my 1/20 attempt, and although Kinglake isn’t used as the benchmark climb and doesn’t have the same depth of Strava entries, it’s arguably a harder time to beat. The last 13 minutes of that Kinglake effort had an average NP of 387 (the same as my 1/20 attempt) but also finished with an Average power of 404 for the last 6 minutes during the steeper section at the top. Cadel Evans rode Kinglake lots… I wonder if he did many all out efforts and recorded his time… no doubt that would be extremely fast!!!

      • Cameron Harris

        Now that Cadel isn’t riding professionally, maybe his joining Strava (or unmarking his rides as private) would be interesting. Although, suspect that some of the contributors to these comments and this story may have a slightly different view.

        Cadel reads Cycling Tips, right? :-)

        • I’ve asked him on Twitter if he’d care to share his best time on Kinglake. I’ll keep you posted!

      • Keagan Girdlestone

        I’m very happy to hear you suffered too haha! I’ve never done the Kinglake climb… bucket list for the next time I’m in Melbourne!

      • I rode up Kinglike with Cadel years ago when the old Wednesday 7:45am Clock Tower ride left from Ringwood each week. At Healesville they’d have a vote for going left to Kinglake or right to Cockatoo/Gembrook. I remember Robbie McEwen coming once, it was the who’s who of cycling on that ride back in those days.

  • Sam Young

    Check out Canty’s time up Greenhill road in Adelaide. He cut some serious time off of some big names

  • Steel

    Love the 1:20. Like Matt says its the perfect testing ground. A climb like Macedon is all just about pain endurance for me. I’m basically grinding from the word go. The 1:20 offers enough encouragement to extend yourself through certain sections and maintain threshold through others.

    My best is 21:23 at a whopping 2.7 W/kg (based on Strava estimated power), but I’m a middle aged career bloke with two kids – so I think that means I need a new bike?

    • jules

      too many junkets Steel

    • Mike

      “My best is 21:23…”
      That’s similar to my best.of 21:34 – I still don’t know how I did that one, it’s a full minute quicker than my next best.
      There should be an exclusive club for those of us who’ll never break 20 mins !!

      Though I guess it wouldn’t be TOO exclusive ….:/

  • LeeRoy

    I hate him even more than Shane Miller now :-)

    • Me too. What a cracking ride!

      • Nitro

        Next time you have a crack I’ll give you $50 if you’ll carry my Garmin in your back pocket on the way up… Money well spent to see the faces of my mates who know how much I struggle to get up there at anything faster than “Granny riding home from the market on Sunday” speed…

        • gregwalker

          give me the 50 I’ll do it on my honda 125, should be able to crack the 12 min. (maybe)

    • Billy Goat

      Miller would smash that time, most old ex pros like him would.

      • Negative. These new kids are next-level.

        Great to see interest sparking up for these rides. Jono Lovelock and I used to have cracking Cycle2Max battles before Garmin and Strava came along.

  • I once had a go at working out what Trent Lowe’s power data for his 1 in 20 ascent was. I got 395W at 64kg. Trent Lowe then told me that the actual figures were 375W at 60kg.

    Explanation of how I worked it out: https://www.cyclinganalytics.com/blog/2012/10/a-thirteen-minute-1-in-20

  • Nitro

    The Jensie is going to be in Melbourne in a few weeks – Can we crowdfund an initiative to get him to take a side trip to the ‘nongs to have a go?
    He may not break the record, but even at 43 years old I bet he can put on a painface that’d put us all to shame…

    • Jessy Vee

      I’ll throw a dollar in your cap to watch that!

  • Rayzor

    I hear Michael Knoff went sub 13 mins in his hay day

    • He must have been on his 10th beer when he told you that story.


      • Abdu

        Knoffie had a hay day? He tells me he’s still in his prime. Cheers over there in Un Zud too bro.

      • Mk

        Pretty sure I didn’t go that fast.

  • Craig

    Trent Lowes effort still sets the benchmark.
    Allthough this was a great effort, if I remember correctly Trent was only !6 years old, did it on a bike that weighed close to 9kg(I built it) had non earo wheels, was not at his peak and did from a standing start.
    Trent always thought that he could have got close to 12 minutes if he had a real crack at it. Anyway we will never know.

    Trent was simply an amazing talent!

    • Sean

      6 years old, wow that really is amazing. I assume you typoed that and meant 6! and not !6. Explanation marks follow the awesomeness.

      • jules

        back when I first started racing, the A grade bunch was full of 6 yr olds.

        • Dave

          And then WADA banned the anti-ageing creams.

      • Sean

        ops explanation ha

      • Craig

        Woops…..That would be 16.

        • Craig

          Actually Trent would have been 17 maybe 18.

    • Pretty sure Trent was 17 at the time Craig, and I think for memory he was around 53-54kg at the time. Average power on his SRM was like 376watts.
      Pretty sure I built that bike Craig, I built all his bikes & wheels until he went to Discovery Channel. It was a Green custom built Yeti Road bike with a Campagnolo Daytona groupo, it weighed a ton, probably closer to 10kg than 9. It even had the ultra-heavy Campag Daytona hubs with Mavic Open Pro rims, and the old SRM cranks back then weighed a fair bit too.
      The flying start would have to be worth 10-15seconds advantage I believe.
      I averaged 426watts on this climb for my PB of a 15:06 @ 90kg.

      Trent told me he always wanted to get back to another 1/20 effort but the stars never aligned and he was always in his off-season when back in Australia, We spoke about doing a 12:30-12:45.

      There’s lots of claims of faster times, but unless they have a video like this to support them, then they’re all just ‘claims’ and I wouldn’t give them much credit.

      • Craig

        They are Ksyriums on his bike Steely, some of the most un-aero wheels made. Either way we both played with his bikes;).
        Wasn’t your PB from the roundabout to the T intersection tho??
        Wasn’t Rob taking that vid on something like a PeeWee 50?? Look how low he sits and the noise…

        • Ah yeah that’s right GroupSportif lent him some wheels for a while.
          No my PB was from the same start and finish as Trents.
          Gotta say Keagans ride is still pretty impressive.

  • Colin Rourke

    Years back myself ,David Sturt and Bruce Will went up,the 1-20 with Nathan O ‘Niell he was flying at the top I asked him what speed he sat on he replied 34 kph no Strava back then so cannot confirm it if you work that out it must of been near 12 mIn Mark

    • Craig

      Do I need to state the obvious Col….anything Nathan O’Niell did comes with a big?

    • Has O’Neill finished his suspension yet?

  • Sam

    Calling Rhys Gillett

  • dcaspira

    17 – whoa !! The telemetry…it was brilliant….Are any startups taking this on before UCI kill it with Regulations?

  • Robert Merkel

    Is this the same kid that lapped the A grade bunch solo at the SKCC crits?

    • SG

      Yep, riding D Kelly off his wheel in the process. #ENGINE.

  • Mark Blackwell

    Thanks for this… lots of memories here and my legs are hurting just watching it. I remember riding the 1 in 20 with Allan Iacuone and Tristan Priem in the early 90’s. Back then legend had it that Scott Steward (Seoul Olympian) had done it in 14 and a half minutes, which at the time was phenomenal. Allan’s best time back then was in the low 15’s I think, but he was only 18 or so then… wonder what he could do today?

    • jules

      watching Allan race Hawthorn crits – my guess is pretty bloody quickly

    • Craig

      Another great young kid back then Andrew Steele (who was also one of Australias the best junior Kilo riders) did the 1 in 20 in 15mins flat. But from the round about to the T intersection at Sassafras. I think that would equate to a mid 14min ride at least for the 1in20 proper.
      I believe Scott Stewards time was in a race tho and part of it was paced…but I stand corrected.
      There are just so many great stories going around about this iconic Melbourne climb. Love it.

      • Mark Blackwell

        you’re right: we used to time it from the roundabout to the T-intersection… the number I have in mind is 7.15km, so yeah about 30secs longer than the current segment.

        Blackburn Cycling Club occasionally ran a hill climb time trial up there, but I have no idea the circumstances of Scott’s ride as it was a bit before my time.

  • Booge

    Can these guys get off strava?? Great to watch the vid, but talk about soul destroying being shown how average your own rides are! Just when you felt like you’re superman on a ride you see THEIR strava times! Crazy.

  • De Mac

    Pffft – I could’ve kept up with him easy …. until the pedestrian crossing at the shops in The Basin! Great effort – the speed up that hill was mighty impressive.

    • Yep, when you’re familiar with the climb and how quickly each corner comes up the video gives you a real appreciation for just how fast he is going. Damn impressive.

  • A

    TDF prologue 2013 winning time 7:13, some pros finishing 1min slower, 20sec from 1st to 20th. So even at an elite level large time differences exist on a flat course. Someone like Contador or Froome could very well smash 12min in my opinion, especially if conditions and timing were right.

    • peter

      I don’t agree, you would find their times wouldn’t be that much better. The difference is the pro’s could do this time after racing 200k.

      • A

        Well mine is an evidence based opinion, you would find that a prologue is after 0k of racing.

  • David Lewis

    Wow KEEGAN–Whaddya gonna do when you grow up? Well done. I am humbled.

  • nathan ong

    i weigh roughly the same as keagan …. maybe 3kg less, but holy moly those watts. I can do 430 watts for like ….2 minutes all out.

  • hendy

    Skinsuit and closed Helmet would have the record by 10sec.

    • peter

      Those items would only make a difference when doing over 40kph

      • Those items make a difference riding to the shops at 20km/h. Hendy is spot on.

        • thomasrdotorg

          We debated a TT bike, but thinking next time Skinsuit with Lazer Wasp + clip on TT bars on Giant Propel. Also early morning on a calm day. Keagan is keen to go later in the year “when I have proper form”

      • hendy

        Sorry Peter. You are incorrect.

        • Have you ever had a real crack up there Hendy? Would love to know how fast you could do it!

        • peter

          Looks like I need to get an aero helmet and skin suit them

  • Stephan Jusypiw

    What an amazing ride for such a young man. I was always under the impression that the 1 in 20 got it’s name not from the gradient, but at the trun of the 19th century when Sassafras was a logging town, only 1 in 20 logging carts could climb from the Basin to Sassafras when the unmade “trail” was muddy. This could be an apocryphyl but what beatiful imagery. Aslo, one should really finish at the End sign at Sassafras to complete the journey.

  • steve

    love these features and love melbourne cycling. Do you think CT could feature a couple of the popular climbs around the other capital cities? Mt Coot-tha? Mt Lofty?

    • bc

      The Norton Summit TT segment to the line on the road at the dead tree at no.169 is probably the best Adelaide one to compare. I’d say it’s very similar, just without the false flat in the middle. However it’s much more open to the wind than the 1in20. https://www.strava.com/segments/1013950

      Bobridge had the record as a teenager, I forget the exact time. Then it was 11.29 to Howson (which is on Strava) and 11.27 in the 2013 Bowden TT to Tim Roe. http://pelotoncafe.com.au/2013-bowden-elite-teams-series-norton-summit-hill-climb-itt-photo-gallery/

      • nicklothian

        Bobridge took the record off Brett Aiken, who held it forever.

    • Keagan Girdlestone

      I wouldn’t mind putting a go pro on my bike while training and show the world some of the amazing climbs we have in Christchurch, New Zealand!

      • steve

        brilliant! bring it on

        • Keagan Girdlestone

          Here’s a glimpse of what to expect from my ride this morning!

  • Sniper

    al and i had a race up the 1 in 20 with scott steward one christmas day back in the 90’s not sure what time we did but seem to remeber the finish being closer to the T intersection , fantastic time by keagan , great future ahead I am sure , i think the time should be taken closer to the t intersection though ,I think that’s where Scotts record was timed to

  • Mark Wells

    Has the Sun Tour gone up either the 1 in 20 or Kinglake in recent years? A finish on the top of one of them would be an interesting addition to this conversation.

    • Robert Merkel

      Not in recent years.

      I doubt the Kinglake climb would ever be featured in the Sun Tour – it’s a very heavily trafficked road and there are no good detours, making getting a road closure unlikely.

      A TT up the 1 in 20 is more plausible, but not a road stage finish – any route that takes you to the bottom of the climb takes you through outer suburban Melbourne on roads that, again, are very heavily trafficked and would be very hard to close.

      Neither would make a particularly good race finish anyway – Arthur’s Seat is a lot more selective despite its shorter length. If you were going to stage a race finish at Kinglake you’d keep going through the town and finish near the footy oval, which adds another 2km at 5% average, with most of the climbing in the last km.

      A race finish up either of these climbs would likely break the record by some margin. As Shane Miller’s graph indicates, they’re shallow enough that much of the effort is still pushing air rather than fighting the gradient, so having a train would be a massive advantage over a solo rider.

      Aside from Arthur’s seat, the obvious place for a tough race finish near Melbourne is the front side of Mount Macedon, the climb which ripped the most recent HST to pieces despite being right at the start of the stage.

      • echidna_sg

        taking the alton road route up mt macedon would be my preference, makes the main drag look easy! but its probably too skinny a road to truly race! ;-)

  • paolo

    I haven’t done this climb, but looking at the numbers, i think some here underestimate the real good climbers, the Contadors and Froomes. I’ve seen a former TDF winner unfit and fat (and probably drug free) doing a SE session in training on a 10km avg. 10% climb in February that would have blown all sorts of strava records completely out of the water. I would guess these guys could get close to the 12mins, even though that doesn’t seem to be a hard climb at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tony Martin could go close to the 12mins. 13mins is probably Kittel time on a 4% climb like this.

    • jules

      I recall Wade once saying he had Koen de Kort pace him up there and leave him behind. I can see Wade has a fast Strava time so I can only guess how fast KdK does it in. and he’s not a climber

      • Five Minutes

        I think you will find that Koen de Kort paced him and Wade left him behind.

        • jules

          Maybe Wade can clarify this important point for us :)

    • A

      I agree Paolo, Contador and Froome can rip other elite pro climbers.

    • Robert Merkel

      As a basis for comparison, Chris Horner produced 6.6W/kg for 10 minutes on Mende in 2010, to lose 31 seconds to Contador (a much steeper climb). Of course, Horner did that at the end of a TDF stage, rather than fresh.

      I’ve no doubt the top GC riders could go faster. A minute faster under with the same equipment? That’s right at the edge of what’s possible IMO.

      • Keagan Girdlestone

        I think a sub 12 is pushing the limits (unless you had an incredible strong tailwind) but I do think that riders like Froomey and Contador can get very close to a 12 minute effort on the correct day.

  • Marie Millers

    What camera and software was used to illustrate the numbers

    • thomasrdotorg

      GoPro cameras (plus a Canon in the van connected to Keagan’s radio mic) DashCam was used to embed the data from his Garmin

  • “Almost every self-respecting cycling city in the world has a climb…” welcome to the dutch mountain ;)


  • Matt De Neef helped me author an article on Strava analysis in The Conversation http://theconversation.com/how-did-amateurs-compare-with-pros-at-the-tour-down-under-11946 just before he left to take up Cycling Tips full time and it’s good to see him prospering and using Strava to generate great articles.

    It’s interesting, but I don’t think this analysis answers the question definitively of whether Keagan beat Brendan Canty’s Strava time of 13:05. Keagan is timed at 13.08 and even assuming Strava is using the same start and end points as Keagan’s manual timing, Strava can easily have been out by 3 seconds when recording his rival. I usually carry two recording devices and over a Strava section they are different by a second often, by 2 seconds, quite a bit and 3 seconds occasionally. I haven’t tried to count how often, but the data would be different for different GPS units so the comparison between units is not easily generalisable. GPS just isn’t that accurate.

    Strava times are interesting and useful but are a poor form of proof of any particular achievement and it surprises me that so many people take them so seriously. If winning KOMs is taken too seriously, people will manipulate the results. I was told a local racer will carry a phone and a Garmin when trying for KOM’s and upload the one with best results. To me that says the error band is large, so small differences should be considered equal but the racer sees it as a way to gain an edge. A person needing another few seconds can also use some Digital EPO and Strava can’t do a digital drug test.

    The take home message is that Strava section times are interesting and fun but don’t take them too literally. Serious timing needs credible observers and a stopwatch.


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