stage 7 of The Larry H.Miller Tour of Utah 2015
  • Sean

    Tom Danielson is almost the last of that really dirty generation. Surely he’ll get a life ban.

    • Winky

      One would certainly hope so.

    • Cynic

      And yet that Danielson story right underneath one on Chris Horner…?

      Seriously, he’s like a zombie walking through the sport. The anti-doping officials can’t kill him off.

      • Dave

        Hesjedal too.

        • Sean

          yeah good call, he does have a big engine!

        • Dave, that puzzled me too. Hesjedal on Alpe d’Huez, was impressive , yet no one questioned him, only praise from David Millar on TV commentary.
          Still can’t work that one out ?

      • Michele

        A friend of mine calls him a cockroach. He started doing so for different reasons. But as time lapses, it seems more apt than ever.

    • Dave

      Last of the *obviously* dirty generation at least.

    • Michele

      I’m not a scientist, but reading that piece on how the testosterone test works, I’m guessing TD can’t do a Floyd and say he had several shots of JD the night before?

    • Kieran Degan

      Has his B-sample been returned yet?

      • Shouldn’t be long now.

        • Extremely rare, a B sample, ever returns anything other than confirmation of A sample. I can’t recall any cyclist tested, that “returned” with differing samples? Can you?

  • Marcus

    It doesn’t matter which angle it is viewed from, Matt Brammeier’s crash is difficult to watch. Speedy recovery.

    • Winky

      Agree. Horrific. Good luck to him on the recovery.

    • Gordon

      Not a pretty sight. Wondering if anyone noticed something that flew from the bike or support car. It is more noticeable from the other view but it flys damn fast and narrowly misses two spectators (that probably would have worn a bike and rider had the car not been there).

      Anyone spotted it and does anyone know what it is?

      • Marcus

        I saw it and thought it was a bidon, not sure though.

        • Gordon

          That was my initial thought too but it seems a little bigger. Perhaps water escaping makes it look more sinister

    • Paulmapp

      Amazing that every single rider prior to Matt misjudged the entry speed of the corner and had to run wide without the misfortune of a team car on the apex. His speed differential off the top was insane and doubtful he would of made the corner at all. Sickening. Speedy recovery bloke.

      • Dave

        Yes, the headlines should really have read “team car saves Brammeier from flying over cliff”

      • Sean

        Could have his pads over heated?

        • Roger That

          My pads overheated just watching that…

      • Brendan Canty

        The people who were filming that crash were probably also filming the front bunch coming down. It would be interesting to see how those coming down first looked in comparison. Those coming from behind sometimes tend to have a little bit more urgency and are sometimes more willing to take greater risks. The issue with this corner is that it was comes up very unexpectedly, so unless you already knew the descent, I can understand why it was so easy to come in too hot. I don’t know why they don’t put up a hazard sign warning riders, I’m certain they will next year…

        • Abdu


        • De Mac

          It is very clear from the video that despite those before him going a bit too hot into the curve – on poor lines – he came in way, way, WAY quicker – the speed differential is quite shocking. Dunno whether he simply didn’t look far enough in front, or what happened, but it resulted in a catastrophic collision and as others have mentioned, had he not hit the car, the potential was there for him to hit / kill a spectator, or fly into the cypress trees.

    • Robert Merkel

      Still seems strange to me that a pro would overcook it that much, even in a race. Car or no car, he was heading for a very high speed off.

      • He is definitely coming in hot but if you watch closely you can see he hits something (maybe a bump) and one, or both, of his wheels lose contact with the road. Without tires on pavement its impossible to stop so while he’s doing a long nose manual he isn’t going to slow down.

        Lots of people are using the crash as a chance to call for disc brakes in order to improve rider safety but they would not have helped Brammeier. They would have helped all the other riders having issues with the corner and possibly the two that hit the motorcycle (the motorcycle knowing where not to be would be a better solution), but unfortunately not Brammeier due to the whole being partially airborne thing.

        • Stalds

          Brendan Canty’s latest blog post on the Tour Of Utah mentions the corner and the fact that you come into it blind. He remembered it from the previous year and still did a reco of it prior to this year’s race. Brendan mentioned today that he was doing over 80km/h through that section and he knew what was coming!

          • Wish I was on the bike…

            At the page you linked to I read B Canty to say he was riding at under 70 and he posted a clipped image from strava indicating 67kmh. Much quicker than I could ride through that corner.

            • Wish I was on the bike…

              His comment above demonstrates a loss of around 10kmh in 200m. Like I said, all much quicker than I’m capable of cornering.

              • Karl

                Brendon was doing just under 90 at the entry to the sweeper, slowed to around 75 going around and then hit the anchors to slow to just under 30 around the hairpin bend. I’m packing my pants just typing this.

    • Andy Logan

      Reminds me too much of my accident in March of this year unfortunately, brings back horrible memories. Bremmeier is lucky to only break his pelvis, ribs and a few other bits and pieces. Makes my hair stand on end and shiver.

  • Winky

    Moving the bike lane into the (un-parked-in) parking lane during peak hours is actually a pretty inspired idea.

    • Dave

      If that’s an inspired idea I think I’ll stick with the mundane thank you very much.

      Here’s an idea from where cycling is just a normal form of transport – put it on the left 24/7, and shift the off-peak parking lane (i.e. peak driving lane) out from the kerb into where they’ll be putting the off-peak bike lane? Perhaps with a raised buffer between the bike lane and the parking/peak car lane, you know, like a proper separated bike lane?

      Perhaps I should call myself a “consultant” and charge them $50,000 (plus another 5k for a helicopter flight perhaps?) to tell them what they could find out just by typing “Amsterdam” into a search engine, then they’ll buy it.

      • Winky

        Yeah, but no. I’ve ridden in those lanes that thread between parked cars and and the kerb. No thanks. Clueless, texting pedestrians are a greater hazard than the cars.

        Better idea yet is permanently remove the street parking everywhere in the city. And I mean all on-street parking. Use smartphones and apps to make daily/hourly leasing of the almost universally empty “reserved” spaces in the underground parking garages a useful thing. Make the people who insist on driving into the city use those and create proper bike lanes everywhere in the now reclaimed street space. You aren’t allowed leave any of your other crap laying all over the public roads; why is your bloody car any different?

        • Dave

          Of course, no on-street parking would be the most desirable option but if it must exist then it cannot be allowed to compromise the need for proper raised buffers that (unlike so-called “bike lanes” which are just a line of white paint) actually separates the bike lane from motorised traffic – unless you’re going to restrict on-street parking to 4WDs with the ground clearance to climb over the raised buffers into the parking spot after giving way to all cyclists.

          If the footpath is wide enough and the bike lane is wide enough, there’s no problem with the bike lane being on the inside. Pedestrians will use the adequately wide footpath and cyclists will use the adequately wide bike lane which will be a proper lane width in its own right rather than being “threaded” into the gutter space as an afterthought.

          • Wookie

            With respect, I’m inclined to agree with Winky; I find Pedestrians pose far more danger to me when riding, than motorists (notwithstanding the shitness of being door’d). This is why I avoid those #*%*@$ copenhagen bike lanes like the plague. Even when there’s plenty of width available, this seems to remain the case. This idea from Moreland council might just work, even if that’s partly because we’re dealing with Australian infrastructure and culture (as opposed to european)…

            • Eat More Lard

              Agreed Wookie. I no longer ride on LaTrobe St because of these lanes. Pedestrians, people exiting cars and cars turning into car parks and trying to peer around parked cars to see if there is a cyclist coming. It’s a nightmare for all concerned. I even passed between two people having a conversation in the bike lane one time…

              • mouse

                Agreed Winky and Wookie and Eat More Lard. I actively avoid Copenhagen lanes. I dislike the fact that they funnel you between kerbs a limited distance apart that are likely to contain distracted pedestrians alighting from vehicles or attempting to cross the road. In almost every case I’ve observed, pedestrians, if they’re looking at all, will be looking for cars in the vehicle lane, rather than bikes in the sequestered lane.
                I get that they are held forth as a solution to encourage more timid cyclists to ride but on balance, I believe that sufficiently wide painted lines on a carriageway are sufficient to mark a cyclists territory whilst allowing them bail out space if someone does something stupid (because they will).

                • Stirrer

                  But roads weren’t made for bikes!

                  Pay rego and then you can argue. My car pays for the roads, you don’t.

                  How about a licence for riders,

                  Oh I give up…

              • Winky

                The visibility of cyclists at driveways and intersections is also a big factor, as you say. This becomes ludicrously awkward when the “Copenhagen” lanes are two-way on the same side of the street (as is the case for some here in Vancouver). Bikes are now coming into driveways and intersections from completely unexpected directions, as well as approaching clueless pedestrians from both sides. I observed a mother with two toddlers blindly wander into the street just yesterday. She allowed herself to be distracted from her phone just long enough (still didn’t look up, though) to herd them into traffic in front of her. The trio then just wandered across the road, oblivious…

            • Winky

              And ‘strayan motorists’ attitudes, unfortunately. Nothing must impinge on their right to drive.

        • Epip

          How about the idea that car parking is simply free storage on public land? That mind-shift suddenly makes the driver a free loader, a bludger on the public like some welfare cheat (or politician with their “entitlements”).

          It was an epiphany when someone pointed that out.

          So if it’s not ok to just lob your boat in the street for months on end, what says you can do so with your car on public land (road)?

          Parking could be pushed out to paid zones like the airport. How’d that work out…?

          • Winky

            I’ve thought about the “registration argument”. i.e. Because we register our cars and pay a fee, we get to leave them laying around on public land. But imagine the reaction if it was suddenly legal for people to register a small shipping container (as a new type of “vehicle”), and leave it on the street in front of their house to store all their useless crap.

            I did a back-of-the envelope regarding the opportunity cost of the land allocated to on street parking in downtown Vancouver (compared to multi-story condo development on the same per-square-metre basis). It worked out that parking your car on the street should cost around $25 per hour.

    • Robert Merkel

      Living a couple of hundred metres from Sydney Road, this seems like a workable proposal that will make things a bit safer than they are now.

      Improving the Upfield bike path so fewer riders need to use Sydney Road will also help.

      I’d get rid of the on street parking entirely if I were dictator, but that’s going to take a cultural change which will take time.

  • The Potato Man

    The Juxtaposition of that story on the Teenager riding around the world, and the Osage Overland “Adventure” video is pretty amusing. About the only way I could handle the pretension.

    • Tim Ashton

      Ha ha i just watched the video and completely appreciate your comment.

      Its actually a known fact the you cant get a sense of freedom when bike riding unless you’re decked out in expensive kit, having constant self reflection on the journey and and followed everywhere by a full camera crew.

  • Michele

    I can see the wisdom [unfortunately] in Froome riding the Vuelta.
    Sure, he will be fatigued from the TdF. But aside from Landa [off the top of my head], all of his rivals will also be feeling the pinch. There’s a good chance he might be able to do the double.

    • armchair guy

      It’s not so much about winning as timing form for TDF 2016. I remember reading recently that a ludicrously high percentage of modern TDF winners did the Vuelta the year previous. So essentially Vuelta 2015 is part of TDF 2016 training.

      I completely agree that his main rivals will be similarly fatigued which will hold Froome in good stead. I just have a sneaking suspicion that winning may not be the sole, or even main, objective for his Vuelta campaign.

      • Sean

        I’m getting a bit sick of all these armchair critics voicing their opinions about topics they appear to know a lot about.

        • Michele

          Can I suggest you don’t read the comments then?

          • Sean

            There is no need for you to duck bro! :-)

    • Neuron1

      I’m waiting anxiously for the Team Sky “independent” University of Sheffield report explaining Henao’s unique biological passport blood values prior to his riding in support of Froomey. Should be a page turner.

  • Brendan Canty

    Here’s a snapshot of the hairpin where the crash took place (moving from right to left just after the blue dot). It gives an indication what the road is like before the switchback (sweeping right-hander), and the speed taken around this bend. (Just under 80km/h)


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