• CB


    • donncha

      “These weights are consistent with a high-end build, yet asking price is only $5,999.”

      • CB

        Ok thanks

    • WellRead

      “For this review, I spent a few weeks riding the TCR Advanced Pro 0 that retails for $5,999, courtesy of Giant Australia.”

    • xuxumatu

      when you say ¨Carbon rims require some caution¨ is that specific carbon wheels set or any carbon wheels?

      • All carbon rims must be used with some caution with rim brakes.

        Giant tested the heat resistance of the rims in the following way: a braking force equivalent to 75Whr was applied for 15mins at a speed of 12.5km/hr, then repeated. A pass was awarded if there was no rim deformation during the first run, and no rim failure during the second run. Giant’s SLR 0 wheel passed with no deformation in either run; Zipp’s 202 also passed, but there was rim deformation in the second run. A Reynolds wheel failed the first run. All tests were conducted with each company’s recommended brake pads.

        • jules

          I know this is impossible to answer in absolute terms, but to what extent is the issue of carbon rim braking on descents a problem for experienced riders? Without meaning as a humblebrag – there are a lot better descenders than me – I’ve learned to descend with enough flow to avoid having to drag the brakes the whole way down. Is it just a problem for novices?

          • Sean Doyle

            Generally yes but also experienced riders who have issues with descending.

          • I’ve witnessed a few riders with plenty of miles in their legs getting overwhelmed by a technical descent. Perhaps it was being in a bunch that undermined their confidence or maybe it was because it was an unfamiliar road. What ever the cause, a rider will start dragging their brakes well before the corner, and in essence, they’ve stopped riding the bike. Self-preservation kicks in and that’s where a carbon rim can become a liability.

            • Sean Doyle

              Yes. Good observation. I do put myself in with the better descenders but on unfamiliar steep descents I do back off which usually means longer braking periods.

        • xuxumatu

          thanks i´ll carefull i´ve just get a tcr1 and the weight is impressive i have not even ride it

  • Marcus

    Would be great if you can start including Stack and Reach measurements on your review geometries. Much easier to make comparisons of fit between different frames that way.

    • Sean Doyle

      All the info is here…

      for what they are worth. Useless dimensions really.

      • Simon

        I agree I’ve never heard of these terms until recently. From my experience I need to know, apart from the handling gleaned during a thorough test ride, the HT length, effective TT and seat tube dimensions. The seat angle and chainstay length are worthwhile knowing too.

      • Michael Sproul

        Agreed. Pretty much impossible to measure with any degree of accuracy so you’re left relying on the manufacturers given measurements which I often find are wrong.

    • Stack and reach are useful but they aren’t reported by all companies. There is a link to Giant’s own charts above and in Sean’s response to you.

      • Sean Doyle

        I just wish they had used a different term than reach for that measurement. For traditional frame design reach is from the saddle to the bars so now you always have to make sure when talking to a client that you are talking about the same dimension.

        • I think it just needs to be qualified: reach from the saddle versus reach from the bottom bracket.

          • GregpR1

            I fail to see how reach from the saddle is a reliable measurement for bike fit, given that a saddle has provision for forward & aft movement let alone anatomical centre changes from saddle to saddle. Saddle setback (used in bike fits) is affected by seat tube angle (this can vary between frame sizes with several manufactures), seat post offset, ultimate saddle position fwd/aft. this all then impacts reach which is also affected by head tube angle and stack. Thus the bottom bracket provides a fixed reference point to take measurements from which saddle does not.
            If you draw up the frames given the seat tube & head tube angles using the same fork etc i think you will see that why the wheel base does not change much, also note that the reach does not vary much between the sizes.

            • Sean Doyle

              Saddle position is soley related to bio-mechanics not frame design. When fitting a rider you start at the feet on the pedals then adjust the saddle height and set back to the required position then you set the bars to the required reach and drop for the rider. The frame shape should NEVER drive the riders position. So the one of the constants to a riders fit will be saddle position and bar position from saddle. Of course this can vary sightly for level of fitness and any weight gain or loss.

              Saddle set back is not determined by seat tube angle it’s determined by the shape of the rider. Seat post setbacks are used to fine tune a set seat tube angle in a production frame to get the right saddle position. Some frames won’t fit some riders because you can’t achieve the saddle position without going to extremes of adjustment. The best place for the seat post clamp is 2/3 back on the saddle rails. This provides the right support and minimises the cantilever of weight that can break lighter rails. It’s a personal choice whether you use a straight or offset post to achieve this on a custom frame. Personally I prefer an offset post.

              I can see why the wheel base doesn’t change much and for the smaller frames it’s about keeping toe overlap to a minimum or non existent and once you get to medium and bigger it’s not an issue. It still bugs me they use the same chain stay length though as there is no way of getting proper weight balance with the bigger frames.

              • GregpR1

                Ok, i’ll just try to clarify, as for the most part I agree with you :) as one person i know put it “the frame is simply a spacer for your arse, feet & hands” which is why i never “Fit” myself to a frame or would suggest anyone does. I built my bikes to Fit me.

                Starting with saddle height & setback is the “First” consideration in ‘my’ (and should be anyones IMO) position on the bike as this sets up the interface with the pedals and an individuals Bio mechanics, as you have said, as such Seat tube angle plays a significant part in being able to attain this correctly, as you mentioned with regards to saddle/seat post clamp, this is why i said “affected by” and will ultimately will determine suitability of a frame.

                Once this is sorted i then look to reach & drop to the bars, which when using a generic drawing with reach specified from the BB as well as set back & seat tube angle (as apposed from the saddle, without knowing the setback or saddle height) one can make a educated determination as to wether the frame will fit. Simply specifying saddle to bar reach won’t work here as final fwd/aft position & saddle height affects this measurement. Obviously then one can confirm by viewing and actually setting up ones position on a bike in a shop. And then probably just choose the latest and greatest :)

                Well that is unless your building a custom frame from your own drawing! then you just hope you get it right :)

                Also i agree whole heartedly with the clamping position for a saddle :)
                I also agree with you in regards to the chain stay length and attaining the best possible overall weight balance. As this significantly affects a bikes handling.

                Note, these measurements alone will only help you determine if the frame fits, to know its handling characteristics you need to know quite a bit more, starting with head tube angle, fork offset and resulting trail as well as BB drop then you are looking at tubes etc.

                Hopefully i’m making more sense now :)

                • Sean Doyle

                  Yeah mostly except the “just hope to get it right” bit. As a frame builder I never just hope and take great care to design it just right in the first place.
                  One tool I’ve developed is a map that can use the outline of the saddle you are using and place it at the height and set back required. It will then show what range of seat post angles and with what offset seat post is going to work for you. Pretty easy to use and the bike fitters and builders I have shown it to love it. It does require a bit more work to build a saddle shape library but I’ve done the most popular ones the fitter sees.

                  • Nice!

                  • GregpR1

                    I was being flippant with the “Hope to get it right” there was much check & rechecking, that said i was chasing more than just correct fit, i was chasing my desired handling traits so there is always the element of doubt no matter how slight. That and i’m yet to meet anyone who has never made a mistake, myself included. And given my recent custom build was my first full custom (my drawings etc) i’m well happy with the result.
                    My original comments were reflecting the generic drawings one expects to see from major manufactures.
                    The saddle map looks interesting, what CAD package do you use it with?

                    • Sean Doyle

                      I am just using Microstation.

  • Neil

    Nice. Matt was there any indication that braking on the Giant carbon wheels would be any worse than any other carbon wheels? If not, why did you decide to list it as a bad point? I kind of thought this was a given.

    • Braking was no better or worse than other brands but I felt it important to highlight the fact that buyers coming to this bike without any experience with carbon rims need to be aware that they may not get away with extended periods of braking on long descents. Giant’s pricing and brand awareness is going to put these wheels under a lot of riders that haven’t had experience with carbon rims and may not be aware of their limitations.

      • Neil

        Fair enough.

  • Always loved the TCR range. It was one of my first race bikes. I like the look of this rig, it doesn’t look like they’ve attempted to bend space/time with the design. I’d like to know their take on ergo/indoor trainer usage, does it void warranty? And I hope they’ve done away with default 44cm bus-driving handlebar widths, or will option in bar widths to suit.

    • The size M had 44cm bars.

      • Rick

        that’s odd. I have a 2016 tcr advanced sl 2 and it came with 42 bars

        • Deniz Warraich

          The Medium frames do come in 42cm C-C which is also 44cm O-O :)

          • Center to Center is clear but what’s O-O? I have a medium TCR Pro 1 and am pretty sure that my bars dont measure 44cm

            • Sean Doyle

              Outside to outside

  • Sean Doyle

    What a great looking bike and the pricing on the TCR Advance Pro 1 makes that a spectacular bike for the money.

  • Thomas L. Cooper

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but two thousand dollars IS “thousands.”

  • Tim Ashton

    Great value for a high spec bike. Looks nice too.
    Also I really enjoy reading the well articulated reviews. Im not in the market for a new bike but read these anyway.

    • jules

      Giants are frustratingly good bikes and value for money. It’s hard to justify not buying one.

      • Simon

        I agree but their colour schemes are often less than desirable.

        • Stan Cox

          Agreed, I was in a Giant superstore last weekend looking at one of these & even the guy in there admitted that some of their colour choices havent been great but the black on black of this model looks very good

          • Roger That

            Every bike brand has a black on black model. Everyone has their own tastes, but personally I find that colour combo yawn-inducing – it’s everywhere. Where Giant are doing great things for me is in devising some really exciting, creative color schemes and graphics – take a look at their Propel line. Extremely cool, edgy designs and colours (but again, not for everyone). But it really works for me.

        • pedr09

          I think Giant are doing a good job of re-introducing colour into their bikes. I’m just so tired of black bikes, and it doesn’t get much blacker than ‘black on black’. The stealth thing was cool around 8 years ago for about 6 months.

          • Cynthia Dorsey


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          • Stan Cox

            I understand the Black on Black is very common at the moment (if not passe)& my current bike is far from that colour scheme. My bigger beef is that manufacturers are using frame colours to denote different groupset levels. For instance you see a colour scheme you like but it’s only available on the tiagra equipped model :(

    • Carol Eckert


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  • Sam

    On the lookout for a climbing rig. Matt, based in your previous reviews on comparable bikes such as Trek Emonda, BH Ultralight, Scott Addict and Canyon Ultimate CF, are there any particular stand out candidate or features among these bikes?

    • The TCR Advanced approaches the performance of the BH Ultralight, and might actually be a better buy if you don’t want a super-stiff bike. The Addict and Ultimate CF both have lovely ride qualities that I rank above the TCR Advanced, but the price of the Giant evens things out. The Emonda doesn’t feel so committed to climbing. If you want max value, go with the Giant; if you want to indulge in the equipment, then buy a frameset that suits your fit and handpick the parts.

      • Sean Doyle

        Nail on head. All the bikes Matt mentioned are excellent so pick the one that is closet to your fit dimensions then ride the crap out of it.

  • burnt

    ” if there was nothing else in the shed …”

    Sweet Jesus. What a load of tosh. These frames are among the best you can buy regardless of brand or ” race pedigree ” ( I mean – kill me now )

    If these are good enough for pros like Degenkolb : they are way more than muppets like you or I will ever need in a bike.

    But clearly not the cycling tips review team.

    • You know I was referring specifically to how well suited the bike was to a technical criterium?

      I agree with you that the standard of today’s bikes is very high, especially from experienced manufacturers like Giant. And when viewed from afar, there is no strict need for a $6,000 bike in anybody’s shed, because today’s $2,500 bike offers a lot more than a high end bike from two decades ago. Degenkolb would still blow by us “muppets” if a $2,500 bike was the only one in his team’s shed.

      So your criticism concerns a perceived elitism on my behalf (and CT’s review team)? Please take the time to acquaint yourself with the body our work and you’ll see that there is no evidence for it. We love the sport, we love the bikes, and we love sharing our experience with them.

      • burnt

        Matt : I’ve clearly touched a nerve otherwise you wouldn’t have taken this offline. For that I apologise.

        first up – I’m fully across your body of work.And I have nothing but utmost respect for the site and the work you guys put into it.

        And I completely get where you’re coming from.

        But my opinion, for better or for worse, is that the tone IS elitist, and misplaced.

        the condescension literally oozes. The tone used in the article regarding the Giant (… But, it’s a giant… ) is barely concealed.

        To talk of ‘race bred’ brands (inherently superior ?) is nonsense. Most are made by giant as you know. The tcr is as race bred as any with a palmares to prove it. And you know that too.

        What would be cool is if you did a blind taste test of framesets.

        That would be telling.

        Again : it’s just an opinion. respect due.

        • Have a cry

          I called and the waaaambulance is on its way, burnt.

          • Dave

            Burnt by name, burnt by nature!

        • Dale Smith

          Like it or not, Giant is just not one of the cool kids. No need to rattle Matt’s cage about it. He’s just hinting at what we all know.

          But fear not, Giant has ditched the Coke bottle glasses, got itself a groovy hairstyle and pretty soon that Dorky Giant will be forgotten.

          The perception is changing – well in my mind anyway coz I just ordered a flash new Propel!!! Woo hoo!!!

          (Looked pretty cool under Marcel)

          • Nick Squillari

            Have you ridden in Melbourne Dale? Giant are what a lot of the ‘cool kids’ are on. No ‘second rate’ image about them. Same goes for Sydney and Adelaide. Not sure about the rest of Australia.

            • Dale Smith

              I’m from Adelaide Nick and I must say that while recovering up the top of the old freeway climb on the weekend I did notice a lot of Giants going by. I am clearly a bit behind the times. Giants not cool???? So last year.

        • Respect noted, thanks for that.

          The starting point for this review was my experience with the TCR Advanced in 2013. I called the bike a “crowd-pleaser” because it opted for the middle ground rather than trying to win the racing crowd (the SL version was a different matter). The difference between that bike and the new version is, as I’ve reported above, significant. Indeed, I felt that the contrast was the “story” to tell for this review.

          I have a blind test from the late ’90s published in a magazine that endeavoured to test if there was a difference in the feel and performance of different steel tubesets. The author reported the results for his cohort of riders (seven in all) and then concluded that since there was no general consensus in the group, the differences were too small to be reliably detected.

          The same can also be seen in the range of opinions for any one bike in the media. While there might be minor differences in the bikes that were tested—like frame size—any variation in opinion or experience really reflects variations in the riders, starting with weight, bike fit and experience, but extending to body awareness, perceptiveness, and even communication. A blind test of framesets is a nice idea but I’d expect that the results would end up appearing as random as those reported for the different steel bikes if more than one rider was used.

          • Dale Smith

            Or, Matt, you’d be pretty accurate if you wrote each review like this:
            (Insert bike name here) is a great bike that is better than you or I will ever need. End of story!

            No!!! Please don’t. I love your stories. Best reviews out there.

            And I understand that they’re purely your perceptions and opinions, but they’re well researched, well thought out, and beautifully presented. I love cycling but it’s not my job – I do it for fun. These reviews are fun to read.

            Keep ’em coming.

            • Kind words, Dale. Would it be wrong for me to vote up your comment???

              • Dale Smith

                Ha ha. Very wrong indeed!

        • Sean parker

          Look I kind of agree. What level of rider benefits tangibly from a specific criterium bike? That is $5000 of benefit?
          It’s not as if the TCR Advanced pro is a dutch utility bike.

    • Like it or not @andrewlacysmith:disqus, consumerism is built on brand value and what everyone is selling these days is a story. When this level of bike is so similar amongst the various brands, marketing is ultimately the deciding factor for the buyer. I’m not saying it’s right (I’m the last person who buys the story – I buy practicality) but look at the success of companies like Rapha. It’s all branding.

  • For more stem options, check fourier.

    • Deniz Warraich

      Pro and Ritchey have stems that will fit Giant steerers now.

  • CC

    Matt, wondering how the old RXS interface may influence your feel of a bike, say compared to something with a larger surface area & positive engagement? Ps – miss the old RXS cleat wear rate :)

    • I actually use Speedplay pedals and Bont shoes. The RXS pedals are spares, retired long ago when I switched to Speedplay. I find the shoe sole serves as the interface with the pedal.

      • CC

        Thanks Matt. Giants def. pushing that price point down on what seem to be a stunning bike.

  • Cyco

    As a note with the component warranties: Shimano offers 3 years on Dura-Ace/XTR, 2 years on Ultegra/XT, and 1 year on everything else

    • Peter


      That’s interesting as I would have assumed the higher end/lighter components would be more likely to fail than the heavier/mid range components like 105/Deore.

      I guess one factor is that they sell a lot more mid-range components, so have more of the stuff out there on the road to fail as well.

      Good to know that if you’re spending big bucks on components they are under warranty for longer though.

      • Sean Doyle

        DA and XTR get more quality control checking in the factory so are more likely to be as designed when leaving the factory.

  • So Matt bottom line C60 or two of these? :-)

  • Holby City

    But it’s a Giant. How can you get past that?

    • Sean Doyle

      Pretty easy really. They make a kick arse bike for a stellar price point. You’d only be worried if you are buying a bike for perceived street cred.

      • Holby City

        Exactly, for those who compromise via a stellar price point. I don’t buy bikes for street cred, I buy them to match my needs. And of course aesthetics and feel come into it too.

        • Sean Doyle

          Where is the compromise on these bikes though? Serious question.

          • Sean parker

            See advertising and peer pressure do work. people are willing to pay 1000s of dollars more for the ‘aesthetics’ and ‘feel’ that a pinarello sticker provides.

  • Hubbard

    After owning a 2015 SL0 TCR, and after riding a friends Propel, I would be hard pressed to ride anything else ever again. I have a Cervelo S2 sitting in the shed and I have to admit, I haven’t ridden it since I got the TCR. The TCR is marketed as a ‘complete race bike’ and it is!!! They are an amazing bike at the price point they are offered at. The amount of Propels and TCRs floating around now is testament to just how good they really are. If you want buy yourself street cred, buy a Cippolini or DeRosa (ill be the first to drool on your top tube), but if you want something that will look good and also deliver everything a local club racer could want, then get into a Giant dealer and take one for a ride. I think you will be surprised to say the least if your a Giant sceptic. Yes, I understand that everyone has a brand they will lean towards, but as someone has already mentioned below, if its good for the likes of Degonkolb and the pros from Giant Alpecin, surely any Giant, and any other brand is good enough for us lot?
    After owning a Specialized Tarmac, I can say with confidence this is the best bike I have ever owned. Under my legs, it has out-climbed the Tarmac and has given me more PR’s on the flat roads, and more importantly, the Crit track, than my S2.
    Matts review has nailed every aspect of this bike. Its aesthetics are just as good as any other brand in my opinion. From what I understand, and as noted in the review, the wheels on offer for this model, and the higher end models, are just as good as the ZIPP 202’s that came standard on my model. Doesn’t get any higher praise than that surely, and for a $6K pricetag?!?! If I can add one thing to the already impressive CV of the TCR, it descends like a stone. I wouldn’t call myself a Nibali or Sagan by any stretch of the imagination, but when the road tilts downward, these bikes fill you with confidence to push the limits of your capabilities, even with the carbon wheels, and come out the other end with a smile big enough you almost want to turn around at the bottom, climb back up, just to descend again.

  • peter

    isn’t composite carbon a mixture of plastic and carbon fibre , is Giant the only manufacture using composite materials ?

    • Marcus J

      All “carbon” bikes are made of carbon fibre with a resin. It’s called carbon fibre reinforced polymer aka a composite. As this is a type of composite, that term has come to be used when referring to “carbon” bike frames. They are all composites. The differences are the types of carbon and the types of resin, and the way they are used in construction. In its most common “natural” state, carbon fibre is supplied in the form of a bundle of continuous filaments, wound onto a reel – not much use for bike frames or indeed pretty much all of the other applications to which carbon is put.

  • jaydub

    The creative photos are nice and all but it would be good just to get a standard side-on view of the full bike so people can see the complete look, parts and proportions.

  • GFive Lee

    “There was some oversteer at the low speed but, it disappeared on the high speed.” <— WTF?? It does not make any sense!! Do you want to explain that, Matt?

  • Ciaran Carroll

    Although I’d imagine this bike has a 52/36×11-28 it would be nice to let us know about the gearing


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