• jules

    I got in before the comments were locked!

    • Michele

      After the accusations the TSP has thrown about previously re cyclists and the possibility of PEDs, I don’t think TSP is trying to get us to join some similar dots here.

      Wade… Can we see a copy of the column your lawyers saw before being approved for publishing?


      • Dave

        If only somebody created a Wikileaks-style anonymous reporting program for cyclists to use.

        Oh wait, they have! And it’s even The Secret Hendo’s very own teammate who made it!

  • AMK3072

    the fact Kruijswijk crashed is his problem not Nibali’s. It was a skill error. Race on.

    • jules

      I have mixed thoughts on that. part of me agrees.

    • Cam

      Agreed, it’s a race, if you crash of your on accord then that’s your own problem.
      In one paragraph he says “respect the race leader” and follows up by saying that teams should have banded together to defeat Nibali, how is that respecting the jersey.

      • philipmcvey

        Great point.. not only is banding together to defeat one rider disrespecting the jersey it’s disrespecting the sport as a contest. Who wants to watch a race where the outcome is decided by a bunch of guys who happen to think the best competitor is ‘a bit of a dick’? I suspect spectators don’t really care whether the competitors are dicks – they just want to see an ‘honest’ competition.

        • Dave

          It makes you wonder how many riders actually think Nibali is ‘a bit of a dick’ – is it:
          (a) the whole peloton
          (b) only the Anglo teams
          (c) only a handful of Anglo riders
          (d) only Hendo, now he’s found out that Aru won’t take his shit lying down

          Perhaps GCN should go around asking the riders next time they are at a race to get a definitive answer?

          • philipmcvey

            What I found really interesting was the footage of Chavez’s parents coming to congratulate Nibali at the end of stage 20. And Nibali hugging them both. Would you really make a point of congratulating the rider who’d just beaten your son if your son had put you on notice of his high ‘Dick Factor’? I doubt it. Perhaps the rest of the teams didn’t band against him because they aren’t all so firmly in the ‘Nibali = Dick’ camp.

            • Michele

              That was brilliant.

            • ebbe

              … and Just seconds before that brush off the congrats from Vino. Well played Vincenzo

    • Patrick

      yeah, everything i’ve seen has said nibali had attacked on the last part of the climb and simply kept the pace into the descent. kruijswijk himself said he was struggling over the top and simply made a mistake under pressure. the unwritten rule is you don’t attack after an incident, if the race is already on then all bets are off

      chaves, hanging on to nibalis wheel, said he didn’t even know what happened so how is nibali on the front supposed to? is anyone criticising chaves for keeping going?

      if TSP has some particular insight on the situation then would be interesting to read. if not then i call this BS muck raking which is disappointing from a source i normally find an interesting view on the world of pro cycling

      • krashdavage

        It’s an opinion piece. TSP is entitled to his opinion.

        • ebbe

          As are the commenters on this, or any, blog

      • Rondje

        I don’t believe they didn’t know what happened. If someone crashes like that you will definitely hear the sounds of the crash. I do however believe that the race was on, so waiting wasn’t a option. It was a mistake of Kruijswijk and not some bad luck.

        Valverde had a flat tire in the TDF once, just at the moment Quick Step, Saxo and Belkin made echelons, no one was waiting for him back then (no raceleader but still contender). And that was a flat tire so badluck and not a crash. Once the race is on there is no stopping or going back, else everyone you just dropped can return and you wasted allot of energy.

        • MD

          Correct. Furthermore, with hindsight we know the crash was the first event in two stages that led to his overall win. But at the time, in the context of the race overall, he wasn’t racing the leader or even Chaves, he was racing Valverde to get himself on the podium. Nice though it was that the leader lost time, he’d probably have ridden to the end of the stage just as hard with Chaves and the leader if it meant securing his podium place.

      • hornk

        But we know the nibbles will attack the race leader after a mishap. See stage 19 in the tour de france last year.

        • ZigaK

          He was 8 minutes behind Froome. He wasn’t attacking the race leader, he was stage hunting. If anyone should be threatened by his attacks it should be the ones whith slender lead over Nibali – Contador and Gesink. Actually it was a bit of a dick move from Froome to not let Nibali go, he should let others cover his moves and then react if or when Quintana or Valverde went.

        • Chris 987654

          Nibali attacked that race almost from the gun, why should he stop just because the race leader happened to have a mechanical

          • hornk

            My recollection of how it went down is different than yours. He was in the group which was riding tempo. He saw Froome having mechanical problems, looking back a few times to confirm it. And then attacked. That to me is pretty blatant. It’s one thing not to stop if the race is on and someone has a mishap. I think that’s normal and unavoidable. It’s another to take advantage of a rival’s misfortune for your own profit.

            • Chris 987654

              Yep that is true, but if you watch the whole stage, he attacked the first climb to make a selection and had put in repeated digs to thin down the group on that climb. His final move was clearly after froome got the mechanical, it did appear that niabli was aware of this. But it was clear nibali had a plan that day, he had been telling the media all week that he would and he showed his cards in the first 5km. Also you don’t win solo from 60km solely on the timing of an attack.

            • Chris 987654

              Ye that is true, but he had attacked multiple times to thin down that group by the time froome had a mechanical. It was clear he was going to attack before the top. Maybe his timing was cynical but not opportunistic.

            • BitchPlease

              Maybe you should watch stage 5 of the 2014 tour. Nibali waited after Froome had his first crash and how was that repaid? Froome telling his teammates and Van garderen to push a hard tempo to get Nibali out (stage 2 of the 2015 tour) after he got stuck behind Bouhanni who crashed.

    • Il Gregario

      Absolutely. Nibali told the Italian press that if Kruijswijk had been held up in a mass pile-up, he would have waited.
      Holding your bike upright is as much part of cycle racing as is climbing a mountain or contesting a sprint at 1500w.
      And Kruijswijk was sporting & humble enough to accept this. It was a real sign of the man in the way he handled himself.

    • Jaybo

      totally – a different story if it’s a mechanical or a crash beyond his own control, but when it was 100% his own doing and in no way related to anyone else (apart from attempting to chase someone faster than he was skillfully able to do?) then race on.
      unfortunate – yes, but they don’t wait for sprinters on the steep parts cause they’re a crap climber, why would they wait for the leader because he’s a crap descender?

      • Dave

        Is it really ‘respecting the jersey’ to try so hard to keep up with superior descenders that you ride head first into a wall of ice? Wouldn’t it have been more respectful to gracefully drop off the back?

    • BBB

      Agree. Nibali responded to Chaves’ second acceleration and went to the front in the last part of the Agnello. He says he did it because he felt Kruisjwijk was struggling. But, Valverde had been dropped and Nibali was climbing onto the podium and whatever he might have thought about Kruisjwijk, Valverde being distanced must have played a roll in Nibali’s riding. The race was on…1, 2 and 4th were leaving 3rd behind. Nibali led down the hill and Kruijwijk made an error and crashed. No one had to or needed to wait. The TSP is off the mark here (imo of course).
      Nibali supposedly embraced both Chaves and his family after the penultimate stage after the latter lost the jersey. A decent gesture I would have thought.

      • philipmcvey

        Spot on. And it wasn’t ‘supposedly’ as there was footage shot from above which showed that, yes, Chavez has lovely gracious parents and that yes, Nibali was equally gracious in receiving their congratulations. Easy to be gracious in victory of course but the gesture looked natural and unrehearsed.

  • Andy B

    Excellent Insight, thanks TSP :)

  • Andy B

    Excellent Insight, thanks TSP :)

  • philipmcvey

    I generally like these articles – well written, insightful and witty. But I’m not so much of a fan of dangling a carrot like ‘Nibali isn’t the champion we want’ and then following that up with ‘I won’t go too deep into details’. What’s the point in mentioning that he’s not a worthy champion then getting all coy about why he isn’t? I know TSP has professional alliances to uphold and his own place in the peloton to consider but if you’re going to suggest that a rider who – as far as we know – won the race fair and square isn’t worthy then you need to go a bit further than ‘respect should be earned’.

    As far as stopping for Kruijswijk… mmm.. I didn’t see Chavez stopping, or Valverde or anyone else who had a shot at the GC. Chavez was a couple of minutes closer to Kruijswijk on time, so by the TSP’s rationale he should have been the one to stop – not Nibali. I wonder if he’d have said the same thing if it had been Nibali crash and Chavez ride on? It’s a bit disingenuous to link it to the Ullrich/Armstrong incident – for one thing it looked like it was actually Hamilton that slowed the peloton that day and for another Armstrong himself made no effort to slow down when Beloki ended up in a ditch a couple of days later. This unwritten rule about stopping is applied arbitrarily. Maybe it should be written as a rule one way or another.

    • jules

      I would wager that the point of not going into detail is to avoid being sued for defamation.

      Defamation law appears to allow you to call someone an idiot – that’s obviously a judgment call that people can make their own mind up about, but if you allege they have done something that may tarnish their reputation ( an extreme example would be fiddling kids) – the law seems to kick in.

      • philipmcvey

        Well, yes.. you’re right. I would have thought, though, that his point would be better made if he gave us just one example of Nibalis’ dick-worthy behaviour. I mean are we talking about him being too self-involved to speak to anyone at the start line or are we talking about him actively working to ostracise other riders or damage their chances? The problem is we can imagine this dickability taking two extremes; at one end it’s some trivial BS that we’d probably laugh about if we knew and at the other end it’s something so bad that TSP would have an affidavit served up next to his triple espresso tomorrow morning. Like stopping after a crash this reciprocal respect thing seems to be arbitrary.

        • jules

          when you are as big a name as Nibali with sponsors hanging off you, it’s not only the nature of the transgression that counts, it’s the sensitivity to how his commercial value may be impacted. and for him, the sensitivity is extreme – with $millions in sponsorships on the line. in principle, Nibali could send a nice letter to CT saying “you’ve cost me $10M in sponsorship with your allegations of behaviour, who’s going to pay for that now?”

          if you’ve read books on Armstrong, you’d know that this doesn’t particularly apply in countries like France, where the courts place a much higher hurdle in front on plaintiffs’ claims. this is why the 2012 ‘revelation’ about Armstrong’s doping was a western thing and partly – how he was able to get away with such outrageous behaviour for so long, mostly hiding in plain sight. the French knew about it for years. our legal system keeps the wool pulled over our eyes. and… protects people from defamation I suppose.

          • philipmcvey

            Excellent post as usual… I’m clumsily trying to express the point that if TSP gave one example of Nibali being a dick that others had witnessed or that we may even have seen on TV then it would take it out of the realm of ‘allegation’ and into that of ‘proof’. Something like the Armstrong/Simeoni incident which was a classic of the ‘Acting Like a Total Tool’ genre.

            • jules

              thanks Philip. the thing about the Simeoni incident is that it was an observable fact – Armstrong did chase him down and I believe was caught on camera making the zipper lips sign. and that we were mostly left to make up our own minds about why Armstrong chose to do that. the answer is of course, pretty obvious.

              from a defamation perspective – that’s kind of neat. nothing scurrilous has been alleged – people can figure it out for themselves based on verifiable and otherwise uncontroversial facts.

              with Nibali – a corresponding example is his leaving Kruijswijk on the ground. no problem with mentioning that, it happened, and passing judgment. judging someone isn’t grounds for defamation – to my knowledge.

              but yeah – other stuff. I don’t know. it depends what it is I guess :)

              • philipmcvey

                TSP is hoist by his own petard though. If not slowing for a fallen leader makes you a dick then Chavez is by definition also a dick. But hold on.. no, he’s not a dick because we learn a few lines later that most of the peloton is rooting for him to win the race. Ergo, not stopping does not make you a dick. To be fair TSP is paid to ride bikes not solve logic puzzles :)

                • Dave

                  Some pro cyclists are relatively smart guys, but many of them rank alongside rowers in the ‘not the sharpest tools in the shed’ competition.

                  • philipmcvey

                    Ha.. I’ll have you know some of my friends are rowers. Many of them would also be placed alongside the broom, the rubber mallet and the paint roller when it came to arranging the shed in order of sharpness :)

                • Joshua Mills

                  Chavez isn’t necessarily a dick because he followed Nibali. At that point Chavez see Nibali as a threat to his overall position in the GC and thus needs to follow the move because his GC position is in danger. But, I also don’t agree with TSP in that Nibali’s “attack” on the descent as being a dick move, so take that as you may. But if I was to believe that, I still don’t think one can blame Chavez for following.

                  You don’t have to look very hard to see that Chavez is a genuinely happy, and kind fellow, and it doesn’t take to much figuring to see why the peloton likes him, same as it doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the peloton doesn’t like Nibali.

                  • philipmcvey

                    I posted elsewhere that I think Chavez seems a genuinely good guy, and most certainly not a dick. My point was that if not stopping after a crash does not make Nibali a dick then what does? i.e. are there any examples of dick-like behaviour from Nibali? All I know about Nibali I know from interviews and he seems not unlike most elite sportsmen – guarded and probably prepped by a press officer. I got the feeling that Chavez was the real deal without varnish applied.

                    • Joshua Mills

                      In regards to Nibali being a dick, I think it is just that he is so guarded that it reminds us cycling fans of times past where he who shall not be named was secretive (for good reason). And in a time where everyone is asking for transparency in sport and by being guarded in interviews and fairly clearly prepped, it comes off as if he is hiding something. Whereas Chavez is not guarded in his interviews and seems to actually care to talk to the journalists and seems to realize that talking to the press is part of being a pro cyclist. It is just refreshing to see someone that acts like a normal human, and not like he has something to hide.

      • Dude pedalling

        but how can you sue a masked mystery man whose identity is unkown? that’s the point of him being ‘secret’ – he should just unleash. Or would it land on CT’s desk?

        • philipmcvey

          I think it would land on CT’s desk at some point. Jules seems to have a much better grasp of the law than I do and he makes a good point above that if this was to damage Nibble’s potential to earn then yes it would almost certainly wind up on Wade’s desk.

    • H.E. Pennypacker

      TSP outright calls Nibali a disrespectful dick who’s difficult to deal with. I’m guessing him not being the champion the peloton wants probably has something to do with that.

      • philipmcvey

        We’ve all worked with – and particularly for – people who are dicks I guess. But sometimes you have to grudgingly admit they are good at what they do and deserve success within the confines of the profession.

        • H.E. Pennypacker

          Oh, absolutely, at least insofar as it concerns admitting that they’re good at what they do. I disagree that means they “deserve” success. Success is an amalgamation of countless factors, skill being only one of them. If I have two highly skilled individuals vying for a promotion, one a prick and one a decent human being, and the decent one is a very minimal level less skilled than the prick (if at all), then I want the decent one to get the job. He’s my desired champion. I want to see him rewarded over the asshole.

          • philipmcvey

            Good point. Perhaps ‘deserve’ is the wrong word – the whole notion of ‘deserved’ is flawed in my mind. Perhaps ‘earned’ is more the word.

    • Dave

      It’s because he has a date with an Italian judge after the last time this happened and the other rider didn’t take that shit lying down.

    • prog

      Chavez actually apologised for not stopping

      • philipmcvey

        Apologised, but didn’t stop. And did finish higher in the GC than the guy he apologised to. Chavez seems like a genuinely nice guy and has been a breath of fresh air but the fact is he took advantage of the crash as much as Nibali did.

        • AMK3072

          And there is no reason they shouldn’t have.
          Keeping it upright is a basic skill.

      • Neuron1

        If I’m not mistaken Chaves said, Too bad he crashed, but that’s bike racing mate. Translation, you crashed because you can’t handle a bike, I took the Pink Jersey, too bad.

  • xuxumatu

    not agree at, all races are won with teams and not with stars in modern era and there where 2 teams on the giro astana and movistar every body talks about nibali but no body talks about astana, what would happened if chaves had an scarponi or kruiswijk instead or playing a defensive game for not to have teams, when you say that nibali won because the kruiswijk crash well what would happened if nibali had not have a mechanical issue on chrono, i have seen vicenzo crash on world championship and end 2nd or crash and win on tirreno adriatico.

  • Nick Clark

    Nup, not sold. I see absolutely no reason why riders should sit up following an accident caused purely by skill error – is bike handling not part of racing?

    • philipmcvey

      Apparently you have to also like the guy who attacks the rider who crashed. Then it’s fair game. If you think he’s ‘a dick’ you are able to write up a story about how this appalling behaviour proves his dickishness. Circular logic ahoy.

      • Michele

        Spot on.

        At the end of the day I’m pretty confident that if Nibbles crashed and the roles were reversed, TSP wouldn’t be saying the same.

        Not trying to be overly critcal of TSP. After all, we’re all judgmental and prejudiced.

        We all have our favourites, we have those we hate. And our reasons why probably often contradict themselves.

        So why would TSP be any different.

        • philipmcvey

          Absolutely – TSP is some bloke doing his job just like most of the people posting here are blokes NOT doing their jobs :)
          We’re safe to assume he wouldn’t have said the same if Nibali crashed and Chavez attacked – like you I don’t see that as an indictment of TSP. None of us want people we don’t like to have success over those we do. I see it as more of an indictment of what a strange, pointless and arbitrary rule this is about stopping for leaders who have crashed. It comes down to ‘honour’ which is a highly subjective and intangible quality that can’t really be legislated by a sport’s governing body.
          What is laughable is that Chavez is held up as a shining light, who if I recall correctly didn’t stop either.

          • Michele

            Your opening sentence is so true. My problem is I’m a self employed IT software developer.

            I reckon I’ve cost myself thousands by frequenting this site. Not that I’m complaining. ?

            • philipmcvey

              And I’m a self employed graphic designer who has likewise taken a fair whack off his taxable income by visiting this site. But hey… it makes me happy and there’s solid evidence out there to say that if I’m happy I’m more productive. At least I’m more productive at commenting on this forum :)

              • Larry @CycleItalia

                Self-employed graphic designer? Posts on cyclingtips? Contact me, I might have some work for you.
                larry at cycleitalia dot com

                • philipmcvey

                  Hi Larry. Do you have work for me a graphic designer or CT poster? :) I didn’t post that to get work, but hey I’d be a fool to knock back the offer. I’ll drop you a line tonight. Thanks very much for the offer.

              • Laurens

                You’ve got modern life all wrong. You have to be rich, not happy!

          • jules

            I’ve come to the conclusion that cycling just isn’t a sport that is played out in a pure form – boxing being a good example. Few people want to see a Grand Tour decided over a crash – particularly one that the victim wasn’t responsible for (which he was in Steve K’s case). That’s where the custom to wait has originated and it’s not completely illogical.

            also technically – I think CT has previously said TSP isn’t a paid gig(?) – so TSP isn’t doing his job either :-)

            • philipmcvey

              I agree that there are so many variables outside of the competitors control that outside of a velodrome you rarely get 100% pure results. But that’s what makes the sport so fascinating. It’s a shame when results are heavily affected by things like mechanicals, so I get waiting for a broken chain or for some fool tossing tacks across a road. The again the sport throws up amusing oddities like Millar losing the prologue of the TDF because of a dropped chain and then blaming it on the team cheating out on equipment because they were running Chorus rather than Record – and all this while he’s spending daft amounts of his own money on PEDs. Justice doesn’t come much more poetic than that.

              Ha.. great point about TSP being an amateur writer.. if he’s not taking a dollar from it I don’t suppose I can knock him for being unprofessional then!

              • Dave

                It also, unfortunately for CT, means that CT get what they pay for.

              • Alex M

                Pretty sure Millar’s chain, as well as those of his mates, dropped because the mecanics decided to remove the front deraileurs and run a single ring, sans chain catcher, the night before the TT, as per Racing Through the Dark.

                • philipmcvey

                  Thanks Alex. Great book but I read it a while back and this early onset dementia is a bitch :)

        • dsd74

          “After all, we’re all judgmental and prejudiced”: quote of the day! Problem is, a lot of people refuse to acknowledge it.

          I don’t have any issues with TSP’s opinions about others, though I do find it strange that people who obviously don’t like his opinion take the time to read the TSP and get offended and comment on it. Let’s not all do like US college campus and demand to be shielded from things we don’t like!

          As for the Kruiswijk crash, he acknowledges his error, so I think that that should settle the issue.

  • Sean

    I think TSP was trolling us about Vincenzo Nibali not sitting up and comforting Steven Kruijsfdgswggtrdfgsijk.

    • Dave

      Would we see Hendo pull up to kiss Renshaw’s skinned knee instead of continuing the leadout if there was a crash with 600m to go?

    • velocite

      For me, the least satisfying TSP because I have no idea what he meant, about Nibali. I do enjoy your spellling of Steven whatshisname’s name though. Haven’t gone back to see if you always do it the same. Maybe you’re getting better at it.

    • Paul Jakma

      “ij” in dutch is pretty much the same as “y” – a single vowel sound. You know that you can read it like ‘Kruyswyk’ (and indeed, that’s how it would have been written in old dutch).

      • Sean

        Awesome thanks

  • Michele

    I’m not a fan of Nibali, but from all accounts there were question marks hanging over Kruijswijk’s descending skills – before he crashed.

    If Kruijswijk brought about his own downfall – which he readily admits, then it’s a non issue in my eyes.

    • Dave

      Attempting a chase beyond his abilities and consequently going head first into a wall of ice doesn’t sound like a great way to respect the maglia rosa, wouldn’t you say?

      Wouldn’t it have been better to gracefully drop off the back, lose a minute or so while riding a conservative descent and race back on the next climb?

  • saibotto

    Wait for someone who took bigger risks than his own skill can handle? Might as well neutralise every descent then… as being a good descender wouldn’t mean anything. I was rooting for anyone but Nibali, but in this case he did nothing wrong in my opinion.

  • A couple examples in recent history of GC contenders waiting for each other after crashes:

    Ullrich crashing on the Peyresourde in 2001 and Armstrong waiting (granted they still had two more mountain passes before the finish):

    Armstrong crashing in 2003 (not due to his own fault) and the others waiting:

    And as we saw with ‘Chaingate’, everyone was up in arms that Contador attacked Schleck to get the yellow jersey:


    • Dave

      Just for balance, the ‘up next’ video for the Ullrich crash is ‘Tour de France 2003 – Armstrong attacks Ullrich after Fall.mp4’

    • philipmcvey

      2001 is recent? Mmm… more recently Armstrong made no attempt to stop for Beloki in 2003 when he slid out on bubbling hot tarmac. And very recently the extremely popular Quintana raced away from a neutralised field in the 2014 Giro.

      • ebbe

        Indeed. Or even more recent:

        2015 TdF, stage 3: The “very popular team Sky” (read that as a tongue in cheek joke or very serious, depending on where the reader lives), launches a all hands on deck full on team attack AFTER 1/4 of the entire field, including the yellow jersey, crashed in a mass pile up. The race jury even had to intervene and neutralise the stage temporarily because of a lack of ambulances, the crash was that big.

        Team Sky was not only pulling the peloton after the rash. They were attacking. Here you can see Sky launching an attack by sprinting after the jury car, all while the yellow jersey was being helped up from the asphalt and struggling to get back to the peloton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHN5NrIUP8Y&feature=youtu.be&t=58m33s – After this the race was neutralised again, to a complete stop this time.

        Froome eventually did take over the yellow jersey at the finish of this stage, because the day-start leader Cancellara had to finish the stage with two cracked vertebrae, as a result from that mass pile up.

        About two weeks later, in that same TdF, Froome in yellow would snub off opponents for not waiting for him, saying “I would never disrespect the yellow jersey like that”, before he scurried into the Sky team bus to have a nice tasty plate of spotted dick. Ok, that piece about the spotted dick might be a fantasy. The rest was clearly broadcasted.

        What did TSP have to say about the fashion in which Froome won that TdF? Not much more than a very general “Chris Froome and Team Sky did a great job — you can’t knock them for how they won the race.” [literal quote]. Hypocrisy. It’s a thing.

      • Dude pedalling

        Beloki broke his leg didn’t he?Wasn’t going anywhere after that

    • disqus_U85waxYyKN

      Thanks Wade and the not so Secret Pro . 2003 is many “champions” ago .In modern times Contador, Nibali, Quintana, have not been waiters. I couldn’t see Froome waiting either, not even for his team leader. Im sure Cadal , Wiggans and Porte would/have. Theses non waiters almost make Armstrong look good. Ok no they don’t. Just different ruthless, win at all cost dirtbags. Trump/Tinkoff cycling team 2017?

      • Dave

        Why should bad descending skills be singled out for waiting? Why can’t poor climbing ability also be included too?

      • philipmcvey

        All fine apart from ‘win-at-all-cost dirtbags’. A bit tough on blokes trying to win races that they are hired – and very well paid – to win. If you were in a competitive pitch for new work in your job and learned that one of your competitors couldn’t pitch because they didn’t have one of the skills necessary for the project would you wait for them to learn that new skill before putting your best foot forward? Of course not and you wouldn’t be a dirtbag for not waiting.

        • disqus_U85waxYyKN

          I agree with your point. I was trying to say that I don’t think Nibali or Contador would get a lifetime fair play awards. Dirtbag was a bit harsh. I have never met any of them. They might be wonderful gentlemen for all that I know

    • Michele

      I’m not 100% sure about the LA 2003 incident Wade.

      Armstrong has changed his opinion on whether Ullrich sat up or not more times than he changed BBs that Tour. And that’s saying something.

      • Dave

        Blood Bags?

        • philipmcvey

          Not bottom brackets that’s for sure.

    • BBB

      Ullrich neither waited or attacked in that 2003 vid. He could have attacked, but probably recognised this would have been deemed unsporting if he took the race lead as a result.
      What about the Armstrong/US Postal attacking after the crash early in the ’99 race? That probably wasn’t cricket.

    • JBS

      I think the question in the first case is did Armstrong wait because of some unwritten rule, or did he wait because he didn’t want to continue on solo so far out?

      The second video is a nice little reminder that Paul and Phil’s commentary standard hasn’t dropped off a cliff in recent years. They’ve been bad for a long time now.

    • Sean

      “quite clearly there, Armstrong the master of fair play”

      love it.

    • Nicola

      I remember also Armstrong with Beloki….

  • Dave

    The Katusha call to send Tsatevich home was pure self-interest. Ignoring the team’s instructions showed they couldn’t possibly rely on him to do as instructed when working for Zakarin later in the race, making him more a liability than an asset.

    That they managed to get a bit of good PR out of it is a bonus.

  • prog

    Simon Clark slingshotting kreuswick after his crash on the descent and bragging about it on Instagram

    • jules

      that happened, yes.

    • velocite

      You mean Kruijsfdgswggtrdfgsijk.

  • domanibello

    Are there really any profesional riders in the peloton that think Nibali should have waited? I only heard this discussion in the comment section on cycling websites and even there the opinion that prevailed was that no, Nibali had no obligation to stop for Kruijswijk.

    This and the fact that TSP dreams for an “ideal world” where all the riders in the peloton would join against one other rider makes me think that TSP is not even a P, but maybe someone that travels with the caravan and has acces to some information, maybe a journalist, a press oficer or a technician.

    • TSP is definitely a rider in the current pro peloton.

      • domanibello

        Well thanks for the assurance statement, I do trust your website. In the end we probably have to accept that cycling pros may have opinions we don’t value.

  • AND

    When kruijswijk crashed, Nibali was fighting at least for the podium since Valverde was already dropped.

    What he should had to do? Wait Kruijswijk and Valverde? There are no endless mountain stages for a kind like Nibali.

    He attacked on the top of Agnello and Valverde and Kruijswijk (in a two different way) felt down in the net.

    More arguable imho the attack in last Tour during La Toussuire stage

    • davem

      Exactly, the race was on, several other GC guys had already been dropped off, stopping was not an option.

  • David Markham

    Preaches about “respect” and wants the peloton to unite, but talks shit about a 4 time GT winner in an anonymous column…

    • Dave

      I wonder if CT offered Nibali the right of reply before publishing it?

    • jules

      once upon a time, 4 time GT winner meant holding the title in perpetuity..

  • Bob

    Is it me or does this TSP just sound very arrogant? He seems to hold
    many opinions about alot of things and speaks like he is perfect. He
    criticises the pros on 1 year contracts for being stupid…. welcome to
    the real world man thats not procycling…. how many people have
    contracts that terminate
    after a year etc…. also maybe the riders on 1 year contracts are
    prepared to take it as they are trying to live their dream? To be frank
    procyclists just live in a bubble and dont appreciate what they have and
    he strikes me as just another of them. The column was interesting at
    the start but now its all the same…. for me you can dump it.

    • jules

      surely the whole idea is that his anonymity gives him licence to say stuff he wouldn’t otherwise put his name to?

      anyone can write stuff about how grateful they are to be in the pro peloton, isn’t Nibali going well at the moment? have you checked out the latest Trek Domane? I know I’m biased but it’s the best bike I’ve yet ridden.

      is that what you want Bob? ;)

      • Bob

        Sure but alot of it is just baseless talk! What would be nice is rather
        than him just moaning about everything and saying how crap everyone else
        is that he gave some insight into what its like to be a professional
        cyclist otherwise anyone could write what he writes…. anyone can invent a story about anyone or anything! Strikes me he thinks
        he is rather special when I doubt he is really that good. Its great
        criticizing Nabili but I doubt the TSP is at his level, so maybe all this
        talk about no respect is him just feeling inferior.

    • Mark

      The TSP is written as a bit of an amalgam, with a few red herrings to throw people off. Unfortunately the result makes “him” sound a bit of a dick. But that’s OK, he won’t be offended, after all he’s an amalgam.

  • Noshow

    Could it be that TSP(and some of the peloton) thinks Nibali is a dick due to Nibalis attitude to the “Extreme weather protocol” issue and going against the “Riders union”?

  • Todd E

    This doesnt even make sense – Chaves went into pink after the crash. Nibali won the giro in the following days, not on the crash.

    Kruijswijk lost the giro on the descent through his own mistake. I am surprised this is even being debated. It is a bit silly to say that Nibali won the giro because of this. Should eveyone have waited for Kruijswijk on the later mountain stages?

    This series has become increasingly mean spirited over time while offering progressivey less insight beyond what can be gleaned from non-anonymous headlines.

    Riders seem to have a legitimate criticism of Nibali when they publicly question his selfishness in wanting the Tirreno mtn stage to go forward despite extreme weather, but i am not inclined to put much emphasis on anonymous unsubstantied sniping.

    Love the idea of inside information on the workings of the peloton, but i am done with this clickbait.

    • Bob

      My sentiments exactly!

  • lallo ghini

    Nibali had dropped Valverde and Zakarin before the Kruise crash. No way to stop the attack. If Kruise
    had been unable to start the next day, Nibs and Chav would miss the opportunity to earn minutes against the most dangerous opponent (valverde).
    when the race explodes, every act of alleged sportsmanship is actually an insult to the competition.

    It should be also considered the fact that Kruise isn’t too good downhill and the race (skills) also includes the ability to come down without mistakes

    • Dave

      I’ve asked a number of times (in a number of threads over the last week, not just this one) as to why having deficient abilities on the descents should be given a pass, but deficient abilities on the climbs should not. Nobody seems to be able to find an answer, the only sound is crickets chirping.

      If it were to become the intention of the race organisers to not test the complete rider, they would split every mountain stage with a big descent into half-stages with the first half-stage having the finish line at the top of the climb and a new mass start at the bottom afterwards.

      And this is why the convention on waiting for a rival only gets applied when there is some external influence involved, such as tacks on the road or spectators interfering.

      • Spider

        Spot on. It was like the Froome/Contador descent last year – Froome goes out and says he’s riding out of control – well then if you’ve noted it why are you sitting on his wheel…let him go, ride in your comfort zone and get down in one piece. It’s like the descents are being treated as a neutral zone – they are not – they should be like every other part of the race where those that have strengths can use them!

        • Dave

          Even the Tour de France organisers (long the target of cheap shots about setting boring courses) agree that descending should be part of the race.

          Their mostly uphill time trial this year does not finish at the top of the hill, but includes a 2km descent from there to the finish.


          • Klein Verzet

            Really? You think the ASO wanted to put the riders’ downhill skills to a test? What about the city that paid a lot of money to be part of the Grand Circus?

            • Dave

              There’s no doubt that the route was deliberately chosen. It takes a fairly straightforward route up until it gets to within 1.5km of the town of Megève, then swings off to go up the extra climb and down the descent.

              Even without the extra deviation, it would already have been quite a formidable course.

      • JBS

        Yep, tacks on the road, pulled down by a spectator, clipped by a race moto…all instances that GC contenders should stop and wait for you (as GC leader). Plowing into a snow bank on a descent with no one to blame but yourself…race on.

      • martin

        You’re exactly right. In the world of marginal gains descending skills should be as honed as any other discipline.
        Was it Pinot in recent years that did training with a Moto GP rider to practice his descending?

        • Dave

          Marc Madiot sent Pinot to a car racing school at the Magny-Cours circuit, not to a MotoGP rider.

          This is a well-proven move for cyclists who have the technical aspects right but are afraid of going fast in a race. He was not the first cyclist to be sent off to a racing school and won’t be the last either.

          In Pinot’s case, his problem comes from a traumatic crash at the age of 12. After his lessons at Magny-Cours, he showed a marked improvement in the 2014 Tour de France – but crashed again last year when he got startled and froze up mid-corner so it could well be back to square one for him.

          Kruijswijk and Zakarin looked to me like they simply had technical problems which just need work with a cycling coach, they were flopping all over the bike and out of control. After such bad crashes in the Giro they might have psychological issues with it too, so sending them to a racing school might be a good idea if the coaches helping them with their technique see any signs of nervousness.

          • Paul Jakma

            Not sure car driving skills help with bicycles though. Dynamics completely different. Motor cycle track time would though, IME – the dynamics and sensations are the same. Course, taking a motor cycle around a track is a much riskier proposition.

            • Dave

              Exactly my point – Pinot went car racing because his skills are fine but he simply freezes up whenever his previous and his problem was all in the head.

              Trying to use a method with too many similarities to cycling would only have caused there to be more stuff churning around in his head when he next got on the bike, even if the injury risk were taken out of the equation. Therefore best to take it completely out of the context of cycling and apply it somewhere else a bit further removed than motorcycling.

              In the case of Kruijswijk, it looked like his crash (and therefore what will play on his mind next time around) was caused not by his handling skills (which are average) but his poor reading of the road and conditions. That’s also a case where removing it a bit further from the cycling context might be helpful – track time in a car is just as good as a motorbike in terms of practicing reading the road, but perhaps skiing or whitewater rafting could be options too – before going on some hilly rides with a coach.

  • Klein Verzet

    Seven arguments why Nibali is a DICK:

    1. In 2011 UCI introduced the no-needle policy. Nibali’s enhanced his pseudo medical team with an acupuncturist.

    2. Nibali, and likewise Aru, state the dysentery, a middle ages’ disease, caused their drop in performance.

    3. A visit of a doctor caused his miraculous recovery.

    4. He changed the length of his cranks, which caused his increase in performance.

    5. He was suddenly motivated by anger and rage.

    6. His allergy vanishes spontaneously above 2500m, and … permanently so.

    7. He would do anything to win – remember the way the Astana-teamcar pulled him during the Vuelta 2015. DSQ !!

    • Saeba R.

      I think your post only works to make you look like the dick.

      • Ajh

        And your reply (as most of your posts) make you sound like a pompous dick

        • Saeba R.

          Further Saeba R has changed crank lengths before and also suffered from infection of the intestines. Saeba R= complete dick

    • BitchPlease

      The no-needle policy is one of the UCI worst decision. Athletes are now forced to ingest well over 50 pills a day because of it (vitamins, minerals, bcaa…).
      1) If you actually had been following cycling for more than a year you would know NIbali is one of the greatest (check cyclingstats comparing active riders in the peloton at sagan’s age) all rounder of all time. His win is not due to a miraculous recovery, all you have to do is check the VAM up climbs to see that Nibali’s number do not drastically increase. His victory is mainly be attributed to his opponents lack of experience (Chaves made repeated attacks over 3 weeks and that costed him freshness for the last two stages, kruijswijk tried to follow him on a decent).
      2) Dysnetry, Bilhzaria, Bad meat its bullshit to get people to believe the sport is clean.
      3) THEY ALL USE PEDS… GET OVER IT. Nibali’s doctor was Pantani’s, Team Sky’s doctor was Rasmussen, Froome’s personal doctor was Ricco’s and Cobo’s, Contador’s had Fuentes so did Valverde…
      4) Crank length affects cadence.
      5) All professional athletes (especially cyclist) have serious psychological issues (depression, anger, sadism, masochism). The amount of pain, work, sacrifices they are willing to endure to win far exceeds what anyone other than a pro cyclist can understand. THE BIKE WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST.
      6) I have allergies and when I go hard they disappear. Maybe the more intense blood flow gets the allergens to fuck off faster…
      7) ANY ATHLETE WILL DO ANYTHING TO WIN. IF NOT THE SPONSORS WILL DROP YOU. YOU ARE PAID MILLIONS TO WIN AND IF YOU AIN’T WILLING TO DO SO SOMEBODY YOUNGER HUNGRIER WILL COME AND BEAT YOU. (Armstrong 2009: convinced himself he could win clean got smashed for 2 weeks by a younger hungrier man named Contador, decided to salvage his defeat we a few BBs and took a WELL DESERVED 3rd place)

  • Patrick Smith

    CT guys, does the Secret Pro write about some races as if he was there but actually didn’t take part in to protect his anonymity?

  • Mark

    “…another slimy winner..”? Yes, the importance of respect.

  • Chris 987654

    Nibali was already putting the pressure on going up the climb as well as down the climb. He was the better going down hill and put Kruijswijk out of his comfort zone which he paid for. You don’t win a grand tour trough luck.

  • Ralph Kujawa

    I’ve thought about Nibali not stopping and my initial reaction was the same as TSP. However, Nibali was almost 5 minutes behind Kruiswijk and was trying to close the gap on Valverde whom he had dropped on the climb. He needed to press on to make sure that he could stay ahead of Valverde etc. I think his conduct was fair in the circumstances of the race as a whole. In any event I understand Kruiswijk broke or bruised a rib? If that is so, how long must Nibali wait for him? Must he forfeit his position in the race so that Kruiswijk can catch up to him even though he isn’t riding at the same pace any more? And maybe you don’t like Nibali, but he made the race and it was a spectacular comeback.

  • Avuncular

    Anyway enough of Nibali not stopping for Kruijswijk. The most important thing to take from this is that the TSP agrees the worst coffee is in France. Many decades ago we had the best coffee ever in Paris on our honeymoon but sadly no more, it is terrible stuff. We always take our own on our travels now.

  • Larry @CycleItalia

    Great stuff as always! The hotel comments are dead-on… after almost 3 decades of working in Europe I totally agree. What’s interesting to me is the lack of respect for Nibali. I can remember back-in-the-day everyone hated Claudio Chiappucci, so when he’d go off the front, plenty of Italians would happily tow BigMig back into the action. Not so this time…so at least Nibali’s not as hated as El Diablo? That’s something I guess. I wished for an exciting, close Giro with Nibali as the winner – got that and then some!! W Il Giro! W Il Secret Pro! W CyclingTips for bringing us Secret Pro!!

  • Albo

    The Secret Pro Used to give interesting insights into the working of the pro peleton and comical quips. Seems these days, on the whole, a negative and sarcastic feel pervades. Plenty of insults can be hurled from a position of anonimity … a bit like attacking when descending after someone has crashed behind you? Lift your own game Mr Secret “Pro”.

  • Zukini

    The Secret Pro, as you know (i imagine you do) winning is a hard thing, you have to defeat everyone else, so everyone that is defeated will be unhappy. I would _really_ like to see what you would do in the situation of Nibali. And it is not only when you forced the Kuijswijk error, it is everything, the press criticism, the pressure from team, sponsors, team mates. Everything. I am 100% for fairplay and i am sure i would do the same he did.

  • Puma

    If dicks were not allowed to be champions, pro sports history would be a lot different.

    I enjoy TSP a lot, everytime, but I don’t think the link he does to compare this with the Ulrich-Armstrong situation in 2003 applies. LA was brought down by a spectator. Not by distraction.

    I don’t like Nibali or Astana, but if this time there was no cheat, then I can’t see why it’s not fair. He took his chances and attacked like an animal.

    • Saeba R.

      And only a brave man would attack Armstrong after a crash. He was the boss dog.

  • Nicola Stufano

    Benson, your fantasies are always very funny. Just try to be less racist with french e russians next time. And less nostalgic of Lance Armstrong’s law.


  • Zebedee

    TSP sure has gone downhill over recent posts. Hopefully with this hypocritical and illogical contribution it has reached its nadir and it really is “onwards and upwards” from here. If not, let’s start playing Guess The Secret Pro so that CT have a valid reason to stop putting this rubbish on their site.

  • I’m actually not in agreement with TSP here, racing isn’t just about going uphill, descending skills should and do come into play, Nibali might not be the most respected rider in the peloton and probably for good reason however in this instance he was totally within his rights to continue his attack along with Chaves!

  • Neuron1

    I wrote this a few days back and would like to say, I called it spot on.

    Neuron1•3 days ago

    I am waiting anxiously for the next TSP post. It will read something like this: 1) Damn motorcycles, somebody has got to do something (but the riders don’t have the cahones to strike, try doing it at the TDF, the whole world will be watching. But instead we will piss and moan and cancel an Italian race) 2) Astana stinks, they tried to bully the race but the well built and handsome Dutch and Germans with the help of their Aussie allies fought back valiantly. 3) Nibali got his GI bug from doping but Landa just ate some bad tapas after properly cleansing his hands with Sky approved sanitizer. (Last year he was doper with Astana but now he is faster and stronger due to clean living in the Sky camp) 4) Nibali’s comeback was extraterrestrial even though he rode the climbs slower than Nieve. (It must be the post ride smoothies) 5) Chaves is an honorary Aussie and is truly heroic, he speaks Spanish with an Aussie accent and Aussie with a Spanish accent. He persevered despite the bronchitis, due to the Anglo-Saxon rubbing off on him, and he smiles a lot (Landa hasn’t been with Sky long enough to get the full benefits yet). His power didn’t drop off from the pulmonary infection since he is a high altitude native and a genetically superior Colombian climber. What a mate. His eventual loss was due to the cheating cheaters at the filthy cheating Astana team, despite the UCI and ISSUL scrutiny.

    This is meant to be parody, and is thus protected speech. Based in truth but taken to a minor, very minor in this case, extreme.

    • Sean

      So you are the secret pro!

    • Larry @CycleItalia

      Neuron1 – you are THE man! Great parody!!!

  • david__g

    I can’t stand Nibali (I don’t even know why) but honestly, this column is some steaming hot garbage.

  • Il_falcone

    This used to be an interesting column back in the days. That was before the TSP started calling people “dicks” whom he doesn’t like.

    He may have his opinion and voice it but calling someone a dick while staying anonymous is no different to what most trolls on other websites’ forums do. When CT keeps it in the column after proof-reading I can’t help but think that they agree more or less with those “opinions”. Which is just plain very bad style.

    This latest edition became incredibly laughable when he claimed Nibali should have waited for Kruijswijk and that the other teams should stand united against him or Astana because he didn’t. CT guys, are you sure that this guy is really a pro? I’ve known a few pros and they would shake their head in disbelief if you ask them to comment such an opinion. I mean it’s already somewhat hard to bear to read that kind of naive claims from commentators on this and other forums. But o.K. those people usually have never raced and somehow have dreamed up their own idealistic thoughts about how sport should be run. But for a pro to voice that, days after the event when he even had the chance to review the situation is just unbelievably naive.

    If you want to continue that unique and formerly interesting column, CT, I would try to find a different pro, who refrains from calling people names and provides some real insight into the sport instead of just venting his frustation about things that don’t run as he would like them.

    • From the very first TSP post: “Gianni Savio’s whole team Androni Giocattoli (“dicks and vaginas” we call them)… ”

      Sorry, but nothing has changed!

      • Il_falcone

        Thanks Wade! Then I was either not yet a reader of your site or I had forgotten that in the mean time. Which is not completely unlikely but still relatively unlikely since I find it very appaling although I’m no stranger to that kind of language. But it doesn’t belong here IMHO.
        Between then, the Gianni Savio rant, and last year’s After-Giro-episode, when his post was almost entirely negative there were some episodes of TSP when he didn’t do that. At least I’ve kept them in much better memory. And reading through the comments I’m apparently not alone with my thoughts about the development of that column.
        Anyway, if most readers like the column as it is, you will probably keep offering the chance to TSP to publish what he wants to have off his chest. But I have already started to feel with one of the former episodes that you would do better w/o the added stress that his column causes.

  • Neuron1

    Here is a picture of TSP I took at the Giro, Stage 16, right at the 15K to go sign. Note his location in the peloton, along with that of most of his team. The only rider behind them at this point was the one admitted to the hospital with an asthma attack. There are many more from last year’s race where he was in the same relative location.

  • Neuron1

    Actually, after further review, this piece is likely a red herring. Hendo was not in the Giro, only Hansen was from Lotto Soudal. The other riders with enough time in the peloton and an ax to grind, to be TSP are Rory Sutherland, Simon Clarke and Heinrich Haussler. So this is either ghost written or info sent to TSP from another rider to write.

    • Morten Reippuert Knudsen

      TSP = Heinrich Haussler.

      no doubt…

    • Michele

      So you’re telling us that your “further review” shows you were wrong?

    • J Evans

      Or TSP is pretending he was at the Giro – and basing his ‘thoughts’ on what others have said.
      Can’t see why people get their panties in a wad about others guessing who it is – we have no proof so it makes no difference. But if it’s not Greg Henderson then it’s someone who shares an awful lot of his views.

  • Sicilycyclingclub.com

    You don’t like Nibali ok. But your argument that he should stop the race because Kruijswijk is on his limit and therefore make a mistake is a bit tiresome to listen to. You play football – you don’t play cycling. So stop moralizing.

  • Morten Reippuert Knudsen

    I usualy enjoi this collum but i’d have to say that the in my opinion the ´dick’ here is the secret pro… “Nibali not stopping after Kruijswijk crashed was, in my eyes, out of order.”

    A bicycle race is also about staying ON the bike, just as a climb to +2700m followed by a decent is part of the race incl. The fattigue caused by the elevation is also part of the race. Kruijswijk was clearly in the red before they went over the top and it was clear that Nibali prepeared to eat and put on his windbraker as they went over the top – Kruijswijk was too occupied following the wheel of his two conpatriots and when they attacked o the decent he made a bad choise – he should have chosen NOT to follow the attack.

    When Nibaly dropped his chain and broke his deraillure on the uphill TT – should Kruijswijk have stopped his TT? or is changing gear and selecting the propper equipment not a race situation either?

    bike racing should not be all about wattage to weight ratios…

  • Superpilot

    Dear CT & TSP. I would like to thank you for providing this facility, and to TSP for providing these articles. These are his opinion, and though I may not agree, I am not a savage, and therefore I am happy to agree to disagree. I’m aware of your policy that trying to guess TSP will stop him from postng. I can only assume some readers who clearly can’t balance peoples opposing opinions to their own, are making a concerted effort to try to out TSP, so that these articles will stop, and therefore presumably, order will be restored to their self fulfilling bubble of influence. I can only expect that these people prefer to read press releases and PR speak than switch their brains on and decide for themselves. They can outwardly disagree by all means, but this policy they hold of trying to out the character will lose another differing outlet of information for us all. You know who you are. This I do not agree with, and I will be sad to see TSP go if they are indeed successful because they do not take into account the risk CT and TSP already take in putting differing points of view out there. Everyone knows these articles are cleared by lawyers first. Disagree if you want people, we can all be civilised in this manner and state opinions plainly, just stop trying to out the TSP.

  • Gabriel Constantin

    It’s a roast by now guys, let it go.

  • Berne Shaw

    Do you remember Ullrich flipping over an embankment and Armstrong waiting for him? How they all waited for Armstrong when he got snagged on a fan muesette bag ? So this idea that there is no need to wait if the racer makes his own mistake is not the tradition at all.

    I for one value this tradition. It is part of what makes this sport great. These tours inspire us due to their length the suffering and the skills. Each day the tension builds. We come to care about these athletes and their struggle. It inspires us. It relegates the sport into mediocrity if after 2000 miles of racing one moment of icy road a mechanical and the entire race is lost. Let’s face it gone are the days of no repair cars no medical etc when you had to drag your bike into town and have the frame fixed lol. So I say cmon Niboli the guy who deliberately held onto a team car for a long long time at high speed to redeem himself. He should have waited. He knew if not right away very soon by race radio.

    • J Evans

      One occurrence amongst the many others where that didn’t happen.
      And do you honestly believe that Armstrong didn’t do that because he knew he had the race in the bag and saw this as an opportunity to improve his public perception.
      It was Kruijswijk’s racing error – as he said – and you mention ‘suffering and the skills’. This was the skills part.
      If Nibali – and Chaves remember – stop, all of their competitors catch up.

  • Richo

    Nibbo shouldn’t have got off the gas but he is a dick.

  • Steven L. Sheffield

    It’s not like Kruijswijk crashed in front of Nibali, and Nibali chose that moment to attack. Kruijswijk was already behind Nibali and Chaves when he crashed.

  • BitchPlease

    No mention of Henao, or Yates. Why? Are they not Italian enough for you to have a go at them?

  • ummm…

    TSP has been salty recently.

    • J Evans

      The only thing we learn from these columns is that Greg Henderson is a bitter, bitter individual.

      • ummm…

        Cadel is that you?

  • Alfa4

    Nibali not stopping after Kruijswijk crashed was, in my eyes, out of
    order. I read somewhere that he was already planning to attack on the
    descent, but either way, you respect the race leader,
    and he didn’t. If it hadn’t been for Kruijswijk’s crash Nibali never
    would have won. It’s not just fair to say that, it’s downright true.

    nibali attacked, he is very good in descents, Kruijswijk tried to
    follow, that was a mistake, he took too many risk and crash.. it was
    just his fault…cycling is not just to climb, it i a well to descent,
    and if you risk in a descent, it is your blame and it osi part of the
    race if you crash. This is not like if everybody is quite together and
    the leaer has a crash with any blame by himselft.. that is just bad
    luck, and other people cant attack then…

    I didnt see any
    difference this year…the only difference is that Landa, one of the bet
    clibers of the world, wanst in Astana, so Astana wanst so dominant..
    last year Tinkoff was very stroing trying to controle all the day the
    race, but you forget that.. you have a problem with Astana.. not the
    team I love more, but you are not objetive…

  • tinger

    Not sure it is fair to say Nibali didn’t give the jersey respect. Kruijswijk crashed behind Nibali and on a downhill it will be at least half a minute before he gets the news…what is a racer to do then!? He is trying to get on the podium (remember he was 4th) and just busted a gut getting rid of Valverde who was chasing full gas!

  • J Evans

    From someone who shows so little respect for others (e.g. Aru).
    Last year’s Giro was a joke? Or a great race, which TSP didn’t like because it didn’t fit with his formulaic idea of how racing should be.
    One team dominated, but a rider from another team won. That’s called interesting – even if Anglo-centric riders can’t see that and would prefer a Sky procession, presumably.
    Of course, for TSP, Sky dominating is fine – Astana dominating isn’t.
    If you’re going to call Nibali a dick, you should at least give some explanation. But that’s not the TSP way: insults and accusations without evidence are more the thing.
    As for Nibali stopping when Kruijswijk crashed, learn some cycling history. This has never happened. The unwritten rule that some have mentioned is for mechanicals. Kruijswijk crashed because of his own mistake – as he admitted.
    So, why should the race stop?
    Also, if Nibali and Chaves (who lest you forget, actually took the lead from this – so why aren’t you blaming him? – because he rides for Orica, not Astana?) stop then all their other competitors catch them up.
    If you did this every time someone crashed there would be no race.
    As I say history: there have been many, many occasions (one example – Ocana) where the leader has crashed. The race didn’t stop.
    Attacking a weaker descender on a downhill is a tactic – it’s not all watts, powermeters and summit finishes. If the poorer descender doesn’t slow down – thus losing time – he might crash. That’s racing. Skill is also a part of it.
    ‘When Nibali took the leader’s jersey, I think the majority of the peloton was rooting for Esteban Chaves’ – did you ask the majority of the peloton or is this just your (as ever) utterly biased perception given as stonewall fact? I suspect most didn’t really care.
    ‘If it hadn’t been for Kruijswijk’s crash Nibali never would have won. It’s not just fair to say that, it’s downright true.’ – and that crash was SK’s fault.
    Nibali wasn’t ‘already planning to attack on the descent’, he was already attacking on the descent.
    ‘In an ideal world it would have been great for teams to have banded together and stopped Nibali from taking the win’ – you seem to not have even the faintest grip on reality. Why would they do this?
    You honestly seem to believe that everyone else shares your petty jealousies and bitterness.
    You put yourself forward as the voice (mouth) of the peloton, but yours is a very blinkered viewpoint, with your own bigotries (some of this stuff borders on xenophobia) being highly prevalent.
    Overall, the usual appalling piece of ‘journalism’.


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