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  • bob

    Would be awesome if you could have posted strava rides using power and not using the power to see how much quicker you were

    • Sadly I only got to take the bike out for a short test ride, but even that was enough to show that the technology works!

      • jacobO

        Warrens contact link seems to be broken!

    • jules

      with 200w extra on tap, I think it’s fair to say – a lot quicker

  • Nitro

    No comment – Other than to say that when my best time up the 1:20 drops by 5 minutes, it’ll all be the result of better training – honest…

  • Tricky Dicky

    I always knew you shouldn’t trust anyone riding with a big saddlebag. Also explains why they ride up your jacksy when you slow down too….

    • Larry Holmes

      I ride with a saddle bag :( but it’s so small -_-‘

    • John

      Or a wattle bottle?!

    • silus

      Maybe they packed a lunch?

  • Deryck Walker

    Actually would be useful to do some long km motorpace style rides whilst still getting a workout.

  • Coach Rob Manning DC

    I can’t believe a pro-tour team would be stupid enough to try this. Not that it hasn’t (or won’t) happened yet, but I still can’t believe anyone would be dumb enough to cheat with a motor in their bike.

    • scottmanning

      Why not? It’s perfectly plauisable. Some pro riders, and teams (and countless ametures) are seriously risking their lives each week with doping. Pushing Hematocrit close to the point of stroke, taking chemicals not tested on humans at levels far above that proposed by a pharmaceutical company. Taking chemicals that are not even intended for human consumption with completely unknown side effects. The juggling act of avoiding detection wouldn’t be any more risky, or hard than dodging the drug testers they do now.

      • Jake(Aus)

        I agree, the people who think it is ‘just not something pro’s would do’ struggle with the idea because it just seems so out there to cheat so blatantly. As you say though, people who are willing to blood dope, take EPO etc. would certainly be willing to jump on a bike with a small hidden motor knowing no doping test is going to pick anything up. This is especially so until recently as these types of things weren’t even looked for. To say no one would do it essentially because it is really such ‘blatant cheating’ doesn’t really stand up unfortunately. I’m not convinced it has been used as a method to cheat I should say, but surely we can’t say no pro cyclist would ever have tried it if given the opportunity…that’s ridiculous. People used to say the same thing about the idea of doping, if you go far enough back…

        • Alistair Twiname

          yeah but it’s not something a rider can do on their own, or even with a group of riders and trainers. you’d need the whole mechanic crew to know.

          • Frank

            I think that’s the main impediment to this kind of “mechanical” doping. Mechanics don’t get paid enough to cover up cheating like this.

            • Randy H.

              Turns out, maybe they do cause, you guessed it, it just happened.

      • Alistair Twiname

        But you would need everyone who touched the bike to be in on it and never tell anyone.., you’d need to design a bike that is a kilo lighter to make up for the weight gain (so the sponsors need to be in on it, they’l love that) that’s not some doctor in a hotel room it’s dozens of mechanics and crew.. plus it is dead easy to catch them while the bikes are being inspected (they are weighed and scruitinered) … cancellara was accused of this a couple of years ago but it was nonsense.

        • Grega Juvancic

          They already make bikes so light that team mechanics have to add weights to the frames for them to be within the legal 6.8 kg

        • Randy H.

          Sir I landed at this site trying to figure out what this device was exactly and how it works. Wanna know why? :) I bet you can guess. ;) Thats right! Like I posted to the other few ppl in this thread, the future has arrived a mere 9 months later and, you guessed it, a young woman in a pro bike race (it could be semi-pro, just fyi) was just caught cheating with one of these devices. You can chech the story, its worth a read. Because, this may be the best part, she says she’s (I couldnt believe it either) innocent! They caught her after WITH the bike. I dont mean anything mean by this, just was giving ya’ll some friendly ribin’ (there supposed to be 2 b’s in ribin? anyhoo) Have a good one.

      • Randy H.

        I come bearing news of your vindication! A young lady was just caught doing exactly this. She does claim, you ready for this, she’s innocent! You should check out the story, its short and silly.

      • First Choice

        I’d prefer a doped rider to a doped bike. Only the scum of scum would cheat on a doped bike. Lance, you are forgiven.

    • jules

      2 words: riccardo ricco.

    • RayG
      • Coach Rob Manning DC

        I’m not saying it’s not possible but if it were to happen at a pro tour level, I would expect the team to essentially fold under the pressure.

        As is pointed out somewhere, an individual rider can dope themselves, often without the team knowing.

        If team mechanics are working on a riders bike and don’t catch a motor? That’s 100% ridiculous.

        • Randy H.

          Well, here 9 months in the future the ridiculous has arrived. Young woman was just caught. Showed up here to find out what a hidden bike motor was and how it could work. I posted to others here talkin about it cause I couldnt resist. Crazy story, best part, she says she’s “innocent”. Had the motor IN THE BIKE SHE USED at the race. Check the story out, its getting pretty big headlines. Cheerio

      • MMAster

        Same product, new name…Gruber changed its name to Vivax.

      • MMAster

        Same product, new name…Gruber changed its name to Vivax.

      • cohenarik18

        what do you say about this one ( ??????? ??????? – in hebrew ) of jager. are the worth ?

    • Epsilon_Delta

      It happened today!

      • Coach Rob Manning DC

        I know. And it is so sad that people would indeed stoop to that level in order to win. Now you have to question that girl’s entire season’s worth of results.

    • Randy H.

      Fast forward 9 months and here we are. Coach I sure hope you didnt have any money on that because I arrived at this article to learn about the device a woman just got caught using in a pro bike race. (could have been semi pro, I believe the girl was quite young) You did mention it would probably happen in the future, and the future has arrived! I couldnt resist, also, its as ridiculous as you thought it would be and her excuse how “its not her fault” is worth reading about. Cheerio

      • Coach Rob Manning DC

        No, no money on human stupidity.
        The girl was u23, I think she was 19 or something like that, which makes it almost worse that someone that young is already poised to be banned for cheating.

        And yes, the excuse is beyond stupid. “It wasn’t my bike” but yet it was in the pit. Sad that people get caught and still deny, deny, deny.
        Just own up to it: you got busted, just admit it.

    • Eli

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ideiS-6gBAc so garmin isn’t a pro-tour team.. or you didn’t see this crash

      • Coach Rob Manning DC

        That’s not a motor. That’s physics. The motor drives the cranks, not the rear wheel.

    • ShakingMyHead Again

      “dumb”? seriously?

      When you can switch bikes in the middle of a race?


      • Coach Rob Manning DC

        When you’re switching to bikes that are also supposedly scanned by UCI techs?

        The fact still remains, being busted for a motor in your bike is probably the end of your career as a cyclist. Moreso than any kind of oxygen vector doping.

        • ShakingMyHead Again

          Yeah probably just as much as failing to do well in a race…

          Well. They say that motors in the seat post are archaic, the trend now is to use induction motors that work with magnetic rear-wheels.

  • Josh

    Oh great imagine beach road in a few weeks hubbards everywhere will be jumping onto this now hah!

    • CC

      yeah… though, after a long ride down to portsea – best thing is a “hubbard” getting you home from Mordi. If they have a motor, awesome I say !

      • Louis Bloom

        Getting motor paced by a Hubbard? Where’s your self respect?

  • scottmanning

    sleek looking carbon frame, tidy aero zip wheels, and THE WORLDS LARGEST SADDLE BAG! ;-)

  • Dave

    It’s disappointing that the media and CT in particular are giving this BS airtime. No pro’s would be riding this and to suggest as much is ridiculous. Yes of course its possible and some D grader in BF Idaho has probably had a dig with it in a race so he could go home and brag to his mates and wife. Love your website but this is rubbish and insulting.

    • nicklothian

      “The Commission was told of varying efforts to cheat the technical rules, including using motors in frames.” — The UCI’s CIRC report, pg 85. See http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/87/99/CIRCReport2015_Neutral.pdf

      Personally I doubt it has happened on the World Tour, but there is plenty of high-level racing by pros done below the World Tour level that is more significant than a “D grader in Idaho”.

      • “This particular issue was taken seriously, especially by top riders, and was not dismissed as being isolated.”

        • Dave

          Which top riders Matt? Name names.

          • nicklothian
            • Dave

              Cassani is a 54 year old Italian looking for publicity, Boardman is a bit younger but doing the same and trying to promote his own brand of bikes at every turn and Lequipe, I’m not even going to comment on that. This is like quoting Today Tonight, A Current Affair and Tracy Grimshaw as your sources!

              • Asor.Rosa

                But why would you be so irritated about it appearing here? Is there anything to lose by investigating such a question? I don’t see what is ridiculous in just explaining to people how a hypothesis, even a far-fetched one, could/ couldn’t work. Come on man save your anger for something more important…

          • GluteCramp

            Cancellara specifically in (I think) 2010 when we won Flanders and Roubaix. He was accused in the media of having a motor and deploying it during the attacks that got him clear of Boonen. Youtube has a couple of well-done conspiracy theory videos on it.
            Specialised even made a joke of it the next year when they revealed Cancellara’s bike at Interbike or something with a novelty oversize duracell battery with “420W” on it in place of a bottle…

            • Kev

              Yes, the videos for Cancellara and Hesjedal look intriguing.

        • My recollection is that at least a few people thought the Chancellara accusation was a marketing ploy for an earlier model of this motor with a different name. It certainly made an obscure early stage product famous overnight and was quite implausible at the time as the motor back then was very loud.

      • Dave

        Yes, by someone playing an April fools joke.

      • Alistair Twiname

        the UCI are doing a very easy checks every so often to kill a few conspiracy theories put forward by fanboys.

        That’s fine, but don’t read into the fact they are doing the chacks that loads of pros were running this. I’d say it would be more like the team pointed out to the UCI that this was technically feasible so they should check it.

    • Neil

      You have made no case for why they wouldn’t. If people are prepared to risk dying to just be competitive, why not a motor?

      • Chris

        For mine, I think that it’d be irrefutable proof of the team itself being behind the cheating. If I’m cynical, at the moment teams are pretty comfy that they can deny any knowledge of doping if caught. In this case, with the bikes being the teams’ responsibility, there’s no denying it at all. If caught, the team would have to be booted from UCI events in a way much more certain than Katusha or Astana with doping suspicions. A lot to risk, I’d say. So that’s an argument against.

      • Dave

        1. Doping is done in secrecy and private with no external ‘tells’ except maybe breaking the Strava KOM up some climb; an electric motor in a road bike as is shown above would need a power source, possible wires and would add kilos to the bike and the risk of getting caught would be huge.
        2. A bike company would most likely need to be involved. I know they all like to win bike races but do you really think the likes of Specialized, Trek, Giant etc etc etc would risk ruining their reputation forever. Even small lesser bike companies wouldn’t risk this.
        3. It’s just plain stupid!

        • Cam

          Like the commenter above, I also question whether this is a problem to look out for at the WorldTour level. The lower-hanging fruit would be in Continental-level races, where the prize money can be quite lucrative and rider/equipment checks can range from minimal to non-existent. If you were a corruptible team/rider who sought an unscrupulous advantage over others, wouldn’t your preference be ‘mechanical doping’ as opposed to PED’s; where the health risks, barriers to entry (ongoing cost, supply) and penalties for being caught are most certainly lower?

          Even with the additional 1.8kg of the system, a complete bike weight of 7.0 – 7.5kg would be attainable on the type of high-level off-the-shelf bike most Conti teams are supplied with – still competitive, given the UCI’s minimum 6.8Kg rule. With the invisible performance package, you are also exchanging one water bidon of roughly equal weight, so the overall impact would be negligible. Of course, you then don’t have two full water bottles, so this may present a problem on stages which are hot or where your team car is at the back of the race convoy.

          It’s clear from the article that a bike company would not need to be involved. A competent mechanic could do the retrofit. The only limitations (for this system, it seems likely others will come) are seat-tube diameter and the fact you’d need to be part of a Shimano-equipped team.

          On balance, I can see why the UCI would be concerned with ‘mechanical doping’ but, as with PED use, the lack of widespread enforcement of testing protocols and regulations at all levels of the sport may render any changes to regulations ineffective in the lower-tiers of racing.

          • Great insight Cam, particularly given your knowledge of Continental-level races in Asia!

          • Matt de Neef

            Great call Cam. Your insight is valuable given your experience following racing in Asia etc! Cheers.

          • Lyre_bird

            As I’ve pointed out before, the 1.8 kg weight is the result of using less than state of the art equipment, it could easily be halved using better quality components (although obviously this would be at greater cost).

            I wouldn’t be hard to build a bike with a 250W motor which attained the 6.8 kg UCI limit. I’d offer to make you one to test but I’m busy.

            (Commenter formerly posting as Mark Kelly)

            • “It could easily be halved using better quality components” seems a rather bold claim to me. The engineering looks pretty slick.

              • Lyre_bird

                See the comment I made the last time this was discussed (https://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/03/cookson-on-motors-in-bikes-our-information-is-that-this-is-a-very-real-possibility/ ) where I gave details of a 250W motor and appropriate battery pack which would bring system weight well under 900g.

                • I had a look. You suggested an all up weight of 710 g including gearbox and controller not 510 g. The battery you suggested was capable of 4.2 amps at 18.5 volts which amounts to 78 watts and could not power a 250W motor or even the Vivax. Your estimate of 200 g for gearbox and controller was not supported by evidence plus there is the casing, wiring etc.

                  The Vivax has been through several versions, undoubtedly they made an effort to source lightweight components and it looks well engineered. To argue the weight can easily be halved is still, in my view, a bold claim.

              • Kamolak

                Make it “one race only” who cares if it breaks after three hours of operation?
                On this level you don’t worry about providing one year customer guarantee etc.

    • Adam R

      Get off your C-grade high horse Dave, Win some races before you run your mouth you do 500kms a week and can’t even ride the cross wind mate you are full of it.

      • RayG

        Well, that was constructive.

    • Unbelievable

      Would you care to re-word that statement today perhaps?

    • Randy H.

      Got some bad news for ya 9 months in the future Dave. Young woman over seas just caught with this same type of hidden setup. Story is getting pretty big headlines. I ended up here trying to figure out how the device worked and couldnt resist giving a couple playfull jabs at you and several others over this news story here. I dont mean anything by it, crazy part, the woman who was caught with the motor said she’s “innocent”! Wow, could be I suppose but….. anyway, Cheerio!

  • There goes the Commuter Cup.

  • Neil

    If this is being used in the pro peloton than the sport is beyond saving.

    • Chris

      Absolutely. It’d be like a rider catching a car or train to the stage’s end, or having fans sabotage riders with nails or even punching them in the kidneys, or a rider spiking a rival’s drink or – actually, all of this has happened.

  • saimin

    This isn’t anything new, right? Fabian Cancellera was accused of using this exact product in Paris-Roubaix 5 years ago. He thought that was funny at first, until the press hounded him about the accusation for the rest of the season.

  • Justas Mažuolis

    here’s a great solution too! and longer lasting battery :)

    w w w. rubbee.co.uk/content/rubbee-drive

  • Jim

    Get rid of the saddle bag and have the battery in the second water bottle cage – you could have a couple of holes for the wires or use the water bottle screws as the +ve/-ve terminals and contact points on the bottle.
    That way you could recharge via the support car passing you a “full” water bottle on the fly.

    • Stian Pollestad

      That’s actually a brilliant idea.

  • aradilon

    I think i’ve also seen a video somewhere with the battery alot smaller and also in the seatpost, it would only give power for like 15 minutes. But think about even 15 minutes extra power in the pro peloton!

    • Exactly. An extra 100W for 15 minutes is a massive difference at the end of a race.

  • elbearo

    I realise this wasn’t the intent of the article but this line irked me.

    “Warren Anderson told CyclingTips that he expected the system to be of particular interest to female riders who are looking for a bit of helping keeping up with their male training partners.”

    Someone else assuming women shall have to struggle to keep up with the men. Guess he is the same type that directs me to buy the girly pink bikes…

    • Matt de Neef

      Fair criticism. The way I took it when I was speaking to him was not that he was saying all women struggle to keep up with men (we know that’s patently untrue), but rather that for women that are looking to keep up with their riding buddies, but are struggling to, this might be a good option.

    • Fair criticism. The way I took it when I was speaking to him was not that he was saying all women struggle to keep up with men (we know that’s patently untrue), but rather that for women that are looking to keep up with their riding buddies, but are struggling to, this might be a good option.

      • elbearo

        Or perhaps instead of singling out women he could have just said – riders who are struggling to keep up with their training partners – and keep gender out of it… Again this isn’t an article to turn into a gender war, just shows the prejudice is there…

        • Yep, fair call.

        • Yes, it works well for old males too. A little assist makes them young again. Young guys don’t have any excuses.

    • It shouldn’t irk you, that is just how it is. A female rider has to be relatively stronger to keep up with a male rider. That is, she will be higher ranked among women than the male she is able to keep up with is among males. See Andrew Coggan’s power tables at https://cyclingtips.com.au/2009/07/just-how-good-are-these-guys/ .

      It is also why women race separately. I think women should use assist as a handicapping mechanism to ride in men’s races but one world class woman racer I suggested this to wasn’t enthusiastic.

      • Harvey

        Actually, this may not be correct. Women cyclists are, on average, lighter than their male counterparts and, thus, require less total power to climb. If you’re referring, as you did, to women needing to be “relatively stronger”, it’s about watts per unit of weight, all other things being equal. As such, if a woman is “relatively” the same, so will her performance potential.

        • It seems you didn’t look at Andrew Coggan’s power tables, these are in watts/kg. Relatively stronger means relative to other people of your gender. The fastest women can not match the fastest men but strong women can beat many men. One way to think of it is that any female who can match a male is better than he is.

          Evening things up with assist seems a good idea to me. Handicap racing with assist would work better than current handicapping because drafting is so important. A head start is like putting the weakest riders in the breakaway.

    • Jimbo the racist

      Generally, women do struggle to keep up with men. That is not sexist at all, just an accurate generalisation. Fair?
      It’s like complaining about Panasonic marketing a beard trimmer to men and saying that it’s sexist, women can have beards too!

  • velocite

    Thanks for that article, Matt. Pretty cool design. Plus, going public with all these details probably ensures that not even local racers will be able to get away with using it.

  • Paolo

    Is this system available in Iran?

  • GluteCramp

    You come awfully close to detailing the two specific instances that started this discussion back in 2010. Why not list the Kapelmuur and that nondescript section of roubaix tarmac 30km from the finish while Boonen was eating lunch specifically?

  • Scott Milligan
  • Steve H

    How much more power do you think a pro would need to make a difference on a climb like the Kwaremont? 30, 50 Watts? If they sized the motor for a much lower power increase the size, weight, and battery life could be reduced a lot. These guys are pretty close to their physiological limits in terms of natural performance so just a few % here and there could make a huge difference in their performance.

    • Correct. You wouldn’t need 100W to make a sizeable difference in a race.

      • And you wouldn’t just need it for a hilly attack. Just use it to conserve energy in the first third of the race when nobody is paying attention, then switch bikes and go on to win on an unmodified bike. I would be surprised this has not happened at at least to Pro Conti level.

  • Robert Merkel

    Even if this isn’t used at ProTour level (and I find the assumption that nobody would try it laughably naive given everything that has gone on in the sport’s history) it’s not hard to identify some lower-profile events where you could pull off some fairly lucrative stings with one of these. Aside from Asian continental racing, there are Gran Fondos with frankly disturbingly large prize pools up for grabs (such as this one at Whistler in Canada, with 15,000CAD up for the winner!


  • Richard Durishin

    Pro teams are adding weight to make the 6.8kg minimum, but I don’t think anyone is adding 1.8kg to get there. It seems pretty implausible to me that this would be happening on the Pro Tour.

  • nathan ong

    lol the sound of the motor totally isn’t noticeable at all…. (rolls eyes)

    • Shane Stokes

      Factor in the noise of the race motorbikes and helicopter plus the crowd and you’ve got plenty of background din. Besides, companies doing these motors offer what they say is a silent version.

  • Joe

    I have used an electric powered front wheel in a hope to make my 29 mile one way commute easier to do more often. I only used it about for about a dozen rides. Note I am 40 yrs, race USA cat 3, yada yada.

    The problem I found was that the 100 or 150 watts of help only helped on hills. On the flats my human powered speed was higher than the wheel could help with. If I pushed the button, I could feel no difference. Can anyone please tell me if this crank based system has the same problem? If not, what is the difference? I have my theory, but it is only a theory.

    • All motors have a limited rpm range over which they can produce reasonable power, as do your legs. This range can be made to match your legs so that a mid drive can make use of the gears in the same way you do.

    • Hi Joe, I only got to do a short rest ride but it definitely felt like the motor was equally helpful on the climbs, flats and descents. I always felt like the power I was pushing through the pedals was being supplemented.

    • steel

      Get a bottom bracket assist and it works through the gear ratios. Hub motors generally are designed for low speed assistance.

  • John Retzlaff

    so a pro cyclist will lug around a battery in a seat bag…….that’s right no seat bags, maybe in a water bottle, but then there’s that pesky wiring. And let’s not talk about the fact that the motor and the batter most likely weigh 4 times that of a pro level carbon fiber frame. How much energy wasted over 150km to lug this weight around to gain on a climb??

    • Me

      Dude, maybe read the article first….

  • Ed

    After Lance Armstrong, I no longer watch any bike race – all credibility is gone. Nobody knows who is doping any more.

  • Guest
  • RingDings

    I’m not really sure what the point is.. You want to move up to a different class of rider? for $5000 extra on top of your $5000-10000 bike? yikes!

  • Jozko Mrkvicka
  • Kai Jokela

    I ride with electric motor more powerfull than that every day. For me cycling is not a competition nor a sport, it’s just a way to get from A to B, efficiently and rather quickly. This motor is interesting to me only as an example how motors can be miniatyrized. I personally don’t care if everyone can see my 10 kg batteries and motor. Probably this motor will be only used by rich wannabe weekend cyclists, who only want to look sporty and show off.
    Of cource using motor in a race would be blatant cheating. Now race organizers have one more thing to search besides the usual doping.

  • Flash

    This is no doubt based on cyclings past that there would be someone prepared to try this.
    But perhaps the people to test are the ones coming down the back of field one day, saving their energy for the big stage the following day, eg Sprint or Mountain. They could use the motor is go really easy one day, but when they want to win the following day they are riding legally.
    Just a thought.

  • SeanMcCuen

    that ain’t right.

  • Guest

    it’s shaped like a dildo.

  • SeanMcCuen

    that sucks.

  • Greg Ski

    This will be standard equipment on recreational bikes within 15 years I reckon. Battery technology will get a lot better.

    Bikes without this technology will be called ‘fixies’ (fixed power output) and the bikes with this technology will be called…well…’normal’ bikes.

    If you ride a bike without a motor in 15 years time you will be called a hipster basically :)

  • Jessy Vee

    I’m not sure this will be a huge thing within the pro peloton as yet. The technology seems a little clunky to go without being noticed at a world tour (or even continental) level. I can see, however, the technology being used in winter club racing where E grade racers who have the disposable income to buy S-works bike and $6000 wheelsets. Nobody checks the bikes, and a 3 day tour can net $500+ if you can earn points in sprints and KOM, as well as stage/overall. Takeaway the entry fee, travel and accomodation expenses and it doesn’t sound like much, but I’ve heard of lower-level racers do some crazy things to get a bit of a boost in a weekend race; attacking and then dropping a handful of tacks on the ground so the rest of the bunch gets punctures, nudging rear brakes at the start line so they’re slightly rubbing, using certain cold and flu tablets when they don’t have a cold or flu, etc etc. I wouldn’t put it past some riders to use motors knowing that local commissaries will not bother to check bikes. That’s what I’m most concerned about.

    That said, if I started commuting 50km+ again, I’d get one of these motors, hands down! But I suppose I wouldn’t really care if it was concealed or not, as long as it fit my current bike/s.


    With such an amazing weapen, it would be possible for chinese cyclists to win many world tours.

  • SCP

    It would be fairly easy to check for this by bringing in a rule change, and an inexpensive technical solution.
    The rules could be changed to disallow any bike changes that occur that are NOT due to a mechanical issue. And introduce a scan, similar to the one that is used at airports. So when signing on at a race, the area could be amended so the rider arrives with bike, and as they sign on, the bike is scanned.
    Most bikes these days are mainly carbon fibre, and therefore it would be fairly easy for a quick scan of the down tube with a handheld scanner as the riders leave the signing on area of a race.
    And similar to F1, as they finish the race, they will have to pass thru a UCI checkpoint.

  • Durianrider

    Goes for a ride on electric assisted bike but with no power meter or strava data to prove case in point. #lulz

  • John Pombrio

    technology can get around a few of the telltales. the battery could be replaced by a super-capacitor that would be lighter and could easily be recharged while riding. You don’t need 90 minutes in a peleton, you need at most 5 minutes to catch up to the breakaway or the sprint. a magnetic switch could be inside the handlebar and activated by a magnetic ring on the finger over the spot. All the wires are hidden, and the capacitor and motor are hidden and the weight would under 1kg, even lighter if a lot of money was thrown at the technology. Definitely something to watch out for.
    BTW, how about a rear hub mounted tiny motor/battery that stores up energy during downhills and releases it automatically during the climbs?

  • Tamhas

    See the button press at 2m37s …. right before he takes off like a rocket https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6z7uUe0tVA
    And this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE

  • vtchuck

    A huge saddle bag in pro peloton… not at all suspicious. Maybe miniaturize the battery first.

  • Nick

    Why though? Why would anyone want something like this other than to conceal it and cheat. I certainly dont condone that but why would any self-respecting cyclist have such a device and have it be obvious and visible. Would you rock up to your coffee shop stop with your mates and say “Hey look at me, I have a motor in my bike”? To which my reply would be “Well done you fat lazy twat!”.

    Bikes are to be pedaled with your legs … isnt this device totally in contradiction of the purpose of cycling? Have I missed something?

  • David Wujcik
  • Kevin LaRoe

    lance could have another come back tour!!

  • canoecaper

    If we removed the minimum weight limit, the 2kg penalty would be blatantly obvious as well as limiting the returns.
    For the recreational rider, some system of regenerative braking could be a major asset.
    A motor, built specifically to fit the frame could add to the BB region’s stiffness while enabling frame material weight reduction.
    A profiled motor pressed into a profiled frame would obviate the need for a reaction pin. It could probably be moulded into a carbon / Kevlar or boron frame. The trigger should be carried on the person, maybe hidden in the rest of the electronics a rider already wears. Triggered from the team car!
    Fresh batteries instead of bottles from the team car!
    The presence of electric gear changers doesn’t help.
    Could magnetic elements be used to generate charge as they rotate through the frame elements.
    Again these would mould nicely into modern profiled rims.
    We will need more pre-race scrutineering. Authorised markings from the organisers. Very limited spare machines.
    Possibly some interesting frame geometry could be mandated.
    Surely no more difficult than Motor Sport intake restrictions.
    Finally, a parc ferme system for every machine used on every stage.
    Examine all the leading machines and a random selection of others.

  • Linda Glocke

    Motors are for losers!

  • Nigel Astbury-Rollason

    6 years ago, we put a 3Kg bar of Stainless Steel in the seat tube of a friends all aluminium mountain bike.
    We “fitted” the bar in October………….and he didn’t find it until March the following year !!…………..He didn’t thank us at all for his “Hidden Training Aid !!………….You just can’t please some people !!.

  • Nigel Astbury-Rollason

    I’ll stick with my motorbikes…………………All legal and above board !!

  • Chris Voss

    I honestly don’t have a problem with this as long as the battery is at full charge at the end of the race. This COULD be a lot like a kers system on a car. For those draining the power pack, I have no sympathy in competition…

  • chrisnfolsom

    I still think the hub is a much better drive point – the wear on the little gear must bee pretty rough. Great tech though – too bad we have to worry about it for a while although it looks like they are checking for it. I am interested in how much the weight of the system would impact the rider, and how much of a deficit the wight with out the drive, and then with the drive would make a difference.

  • merckxman

    That frame looks like it is made by Sarto.

  • Secundius

    As a Wheelchair Driver, I would be Interested in ANYTHING that is Small, Compact, Lightweight, and will Power Assist When Needed…

  • Tour de France !

  • I wonder why they didn’t bring it enduro mountain biking first! This is where this would be more impactful.

    The greatest thing though that we will be cycling in our 80s!

  • ?????????Amolain :)

    Cool. I wonder if you could improve this design with some kind of (geared?) dynamo and/or regenerative braking system?
    Wiring could be bundled together with wires for LED lighting.

    A shame that people are using this to cheat at pro level, some of us just want help commuting up hills, with a sleek/sweet design profile.

  • JS353535

    95% of cyclists are douchebags out to prove something to the world that nobody gives a shit about. Nobody cares if you’re cheating or not, you’re just a menace to traffic and a danger to other citizens.

  • ShakingMyHead Again

    …my God, it’s amazing that someone just now thought of cheating in a race using electric motors. You’d have thought that this would come up way back during the OPEC crisis when people were pushing bikes as a green alternative to cars…


    Why settle for 100-150 watts of power when you can buy a car with 300 hp , get out of my. Way light bulb ! H ah aha h a

  • Ray Cooke

    apart from whatever prize money the Pro’s get… what’s the point? Why not just get a small motor bike?…. or is it so that the idiot bike riders can annoy the car driver a bit more. I’m not, by any means, accusing cyclists in general but I have come across the odd lunatic that enjoys the dangers he (usually) can create.

  • Cam Lazurus

    could you put 2 motors in the frame?

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  • Samuel Ben

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  • Vanilla

    What about the dirty great big battery?

  • cohenarik18

    Hello, I am interested in an electric bike to suit me to travel for work issued in the course of the week, whether someone could help me choose, good electric bike? I saw several models in the http://bit.ly/2iaZa2k , the area where I live. I’d love to get professional advice. Thank you.

  • Yankeegator

    Why do you all wear that goofy outfit? I like to wear sweatpants and a tee shirt when I ride. Are you all pretending to be professional bike racers?

  • Richard Woolford

    Can the unit be installed into any cycle frame?


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