Giro D'Italia 2013 stage-20
  • tbulger

    can we also highlight the insanity of the spectator who rushed to Pozzovivo and started moving him, demonstrating an extreme ignorance of first aid and the tremendous harm this could have caused if his injuries had involved his spine?

    • ryder

      Was he extremely ignorant of first aid principles? Moving an unresponsive casualty to maintain their airway is following DRSABCD isn’t it?
      Genuinely interested in what the correct response would be in this situation.

      • dahondude

        First of all don’t pick a person with a head injury up by the head and lay it in your lap! I too shuddered as I watched that person roll Pozzovivo’s upper body around. Very lucky he didn’t have a spinal injury….

      • Patricia Finn

        It is important to maintain the airway; however, if you are going to move a patient like this, you must first determine if he’s breathing which can be done without moving him and you must also know HOW to move him (immobilizing his neck and having several people move him at the same time in order to avoid twisting the neck or spine). There is no point in moving someone if the move might kill him! The only time you move someone with less care is if his life is in IMMEDIATE DANGER (such as a burning car).

      • Robert Merkel

        My understanding – in that circumstance, if they’re breathing, not in immediate danger, and particularly as trained paramedics were probably not far away, don’t move them at all.

        CT, perhaps this is a useful topic for an article (if there isn’t already one in the archives)?

        • Michele

          Good point. I read somewhere that the ‘apparent’ 7 minute delay in getting an ambulance to Pozzovivo was not entirely correct.

          Apparently the Doctor attending realised that Pozzovivo was breathing and [now] fully conscious. He/She therefore gestured for the first ambulance to arrive on the scene to keep going [I guess in case of an even bigger emergency/life threatening incident], and the second ambulance took a few minutes to arrive.

      • Ryder

        Thanks Robert and Patricia for your rational responses. I was certainly not condoning the manner in which this spectator moves Possovivo but the footage did make me consider how I would apply my first aid training if faced with a similar situation.
        Anybody who has attended a CPR or first aid course will have had DRSABCD drilled into them for managing an unconscious casualty. To my mind, this would have you as safely as possible moving the rider (eg. log roll) on to their back, checking their airway, then opening their airway with the jaw thrust technique rather than chin lift to limit neck movement. This is all BEFORE you’ve checked their breathing.
        I’m not even saying this is the correct approach for the situation, especially considering Possovivo came to rest in what was almost the recovery position, but it is what, I believe, what my first aid training would direct me to do.
        This scenario could (and I’m sure does) occur on a regular club ride. Just found it interesting that we’d be bending the principles of DRSABCD.

    • JasonM

      Yes indeed the whole incident was terrible to watch made all the worst by that fool.

    • Tom Wells

      I’d have punched him in the face. He could have killed him.

  • Michele

    I was watching the stage in bed on my iPhone – thanks to the SBS app.

    When I saw Pozzo laying motionless I feared the worse. When they cut from the arial shot to the close up, I had to shut the app down and went to bed.

    It really did feel like déjà vu. I still have imprinted in my mind’s eye that fleeting close up and extremely graphic footage of WW laying lifeless. It’s an image I’d like to erase – it’s the one image I always associate with his name: along with his Giro stage win. WW deserves to be remember in a much better way.

    I’m so happy to hear Pozzo’s injuries are not life threatening.

    But it appears as if RAI has learned absolutely nothing from 2011. There is no way the TV producer knew if Pozzo was alive or not, let alone going to live when they decided to cut to that close up. Even from the arial shot blood could be seen on the road. A heartless piece of broadcasting which we didn’t need to see.

    • Leroy

      No wishing to offend but kids get destroyed by barrel bombs in Syria and we can’t even bear to watch a cycling crash? No offence but the world is a violent place and shying away from this (i.e. even the violence that’s in sport) and we’re just ignoring reality. Not showing we should go out of our way to view such things but we don’t need to be desensitized. It’s important that riders, organisers and fans alike know the risks and that the sport isn’t all high cadence, sherwin bon mots and podium flowers.

      http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/150506011548197.html

      • Leroy

        *saying we should..’

        • Conconi – The Original Master

          Go do yourself a favour then.

          Go do a Youtube search for Wouter’s crash. I’m sure someone has uploaded the uncensored/unedited version.

          Now imagine you are heavily pregnant carrying Wouter’s child when you see that footage as it takes place live.

          Last time I checked, riders, race organisers and fans alike knew the risks with pro racing.

          I appreciate the world is a violent place. I am fully aware of the atrocities occurring in Syria.

          So according to you Leroy, the next time ISIS decides to behead someone it should be shown on worldwide on live TV? After all, it’s just a by-product of this violent world we live in.

      • RacingCondor

        I don’t disagree that we (adults) shouldn’t shy away from reporting unpleasant things that go on around the world but I don’t agree with you on this one for 2 reasons:
        1) The potential for live footage of someones death being broadcast to their family is pretty horrific,
        2) I don’t want to have to censor cycling footage from my children. The purpose of the 9pm watershed (may mostly be a UK TV term) is to shelter kids from the unpleasant side of life, I’d rather not come back from making a cup of tea to find a traumatised five year old glued to footage like this (and I’d rather watch it live than have to wait until >9pm).

  • velocite

    While I do agree that it seemed distasteful to show Pozzovivo lying there, it did put the racing into perspective. At that point the question of who would win the race paled into insignificance compared with the well being of the rider, and I think and certainly hope that all or most video watchers would only have shocked and concerned and wishing Pozzovivo all the best.

    • Michele

      Yes, I appreciate it does help us put the racing into perspective. But we didn’t need to see those close up shots to get that perspective. The helicopter shots were enough to get us concerned.

      Let me put it another way: Were you watching the Giro live when Wouter Weylandt lost his life? What RAI decided to broadcast then was horrific and graphic. They were heavily and justifiably criticized at the time for it.

      And as the camera approached the motionless Pozzovivo, there was no way the producer would’ve know if a similar image would’ve confronted it’s audience.

      And then on top of that, RAI did this:

      “Pozzovivo’s father had been contacted by RAI television during their Processo alla Tappa analysis programme after the stage, and the initial conversation made for uncomfortable listening, as Leonardo Pozzovivo was himself still desperately seeking information about his son’s condition.”

      Poor form again.

      Link: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pozzovivo-in-serious-condition-after-giro-ditalia-crash

      • velocite

        I do agree that it was poor form – because of the agony it would have caused Possovivo’s family and other loved ones. Should not have been screened as it was. But given they did it I believe there were positives, in that we were given the opportunity to confront and process an uncomfortable reality about the sport – and possibly appreciate the contribution of every single member of the peloton, not just the heroes. All heroes..

        And no, I missed the Wouter Weylandt coverage. Sounds horrible.

        • Michele

          Yep, I agree.

          I do like your attitude too Velocite. There were positives in all of this. I know I sometimes do take for granted the feats these riders do.

          I wouldn’t bother looking for that footage either.

          However, if you’ve got 2 minutes: this might be worth a read:

          http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/the-giros-darkest-day-2981

          Its a piece that covers a few points from Weylandt’s crash: how RAI covered it live at the time, how the Italian print media covered it the next day, and how social media went into overdrive with rumours about Weylandt’s condition before his passing was made official, which reminds me of some of the social media innuendo that surrounded Philip Hughes’ in the immediate aftermath of being hit by that cricket ball.

  • Derek Maher

    I am very glad that Domenico while hurt is not in a life threatening situation and I wish him a speedy and full recovery.A front wheel issue on a fast descent is a scary feeling I remember having issues with tubs rolling at bad moments.
    It was good to see a medical team get to him fast and showed the Giro management was on the ball.
    Regarding not showing bad crashes to the public in Ireland in the past race organizers and teams did not like them to be shown or even mentioned.One of the reasons it might discourage mothers from allowing their youngsters to get into cycle racing.

  • Chris OHearn

    Pro riders who complain about being forced to go ahead with an unsafe race should consider whether it’s in their interests to avoid showing what happens when something goes wrong.

    In my view it would become easier to expect risk-taking, over-demanding stages if you don’t have to face the consequences.

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