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  • jbal

    whatever.. more money, more problems

  • Don Cafferty

    Re “Walk said Liv’s product design for bicycles goes beyond considering the typically longer legs and shorter torsos of women”, there does not seem to be consensus that women have different body proportions than men. From http://www.womenscycling.ca/blog/other-cycling-stuff/women-specific-bikes-is-pink-political/ “Cervélo believes that women-specific bikes aren’t necessary because, contrary to what consumers are told, men and women’s leg and torso proportions aren’t different—the only difference is between short and tall people. Heather Henderson, women–specific product manager for Trek Bicycles, confirms that. ‘The idea that women’s leg and torso length is different than men’s is not based on fact, but neither is it being spread by the manufactures of WSD (women-specific-design) bikes. It’s an urban legend. Misinformed staff in bicycle stores help propagate the legend.’” It is a serious issue as clearly the geometry of the bike is being affected.

    I would like to see better product made for short people regardless of whether or not they are male or female.

    • ML

      The better product thing is happening, if not perfect. In the past few years it’s become MUCH easier to find off-the-shelf product that fits me at 5’2″ (157cm). Shimano and SRAM shifters are less bulky and handlebars have gotten narrower and shallower across the board. Instead of just a 3-4 frame options in size 48, now almost every brand has 48 as standard and frequently offer one size even smaller. A couple years ago, Specialized launched the Fate, one of the first WSD 29ers… now Santa Cruz/Juliana, Giant, Trek, Specialized, and more all make awesome high-end MTBs at 15″ or smaller. Expanded my world for sure.

      • Annie.

        Still difficult to make a sensible choice with MTBs, in my opinion (158cm). I couldn’t find a hardtail for a long time. Hence, I’ve had myself tailorwelded a frame (26″) that fits perfectly well.

        Regarding my roadbike though, after years on a bike with too long of a headtube, I am now happily riding a (regular) Trek Madone (2014).

        So finally, that has changed. :)

    • Annie.

      Exactly my opinion! Thanks for sharing!

    • I remember an article by, I think, Gerard Vrooman explaining the detail of Cervelo’s decision. It was beyond my (minuscule) knowledge of bike building, but fascinating. My impression was that aspects of ‘women-specific’ is marketing. And marketing has featured quite a bit in this series of three.

      I’ve sometimes tried to find the original, but failed. Sorry!

  • ML

    What if bike shops were positioned more like yoga studios/crossfit boxes, and less like Pep Boys? More focus on classes, training, and group accountability so people come in for something every week; less about product (which, face it, most riders will buy a new bike every few years and some accessories every couple months).

    • Jessi Braverman

      I’ve been to several bike shops like this – mostly in the Midwest and California. Not only do they get people in the door regularly, but it’s a great way to build a sense of community.

    • Annie.

      On one side, that’d be a great thing. On the other hand though, to me it’s most important to have a shop providing me with good service and craftmansship. Nevertheless: Both would be perfect :P


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