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  • krashdavage

    I assume you could grind off the cable guides and use a wireless electronic system on the Snob? Now that would look sleek!

    • velocite

      Give it a few years and we’ll all be on wireless. Mark my words!

      • Spider

        Agreed. I have my files ready for some tab grinding on the Pegoretti!

        • Put the file down and step away from the Pegoretti! We have you surrounded!

          • jules

            I’ve notified the Department of Bike Protective Servies

        • Sean Doyle

          Do not defile the Peg!!! You have been warned! ;-P

        • Spider

          Dario says his bikes are to be ridden, they are not to be hung on walls as art.

          I’ll scare you even more guys….I need to get my mechanic to hacksaw the headtube extension so I can slam the stem as I’m not getting enough seat to bar drop.

          But relax about the tabs…it isn’t a ciavete (is that right?) paint job – just a boring old faema with a few spiders on it.

          It started life as a ‘traditional’ steel frame bike, 32 spoke ambrosio, chrome campy….through it’s long life it’s been ‘modernised’ and has currently got Record carbon cranks and Enve 3.4 wheels…imagine how good she’ll look with Shimano Wireless DA!!!!!

          • tobyshingleton

            My Peg Love #3 head tube extension is cut down by an inch… makes it even nicer to ride for me!

  • echidna_sg

    Alloy derailleur hangers are used as intentionally sacrificial parts on carbon frames – why not the same on a steel frame? hangers are way cheaper than replacing a rear derailleur after all!

    • Steel can always be bent back into shape, which is way cheaper than replacing a sacrificial hanger. And if the damage is irreparable, then it can always be replaced by a good frame builder, but In over twenty years of working on bikes, I’ve not seen that sort of damage for a steel hanger. Alloy hangers, on the other hand, are more than sacrificial, they are prone to bending. It’s perhaps the most common adjustment I make on carbon road bikes.

      • velocite

        Surely the sacrificial aspect is to protect the derailleur also. I know that traditionally steel bikes didn’t have hangers but I think it’s a good idea.

        • The alloy hanger is designed to protect the frame only. I’ve replaced plenty of derailleurs after they’ve ended up in the spokes yet the hanger has been okay.

  • CC

    Reading this, I really struggle with (esp. on the snob) the concept of paying a premium ($4+k) for a stock SS frame, vs with a high end custom builder. Matt, do they do anything unique, or is it all the branding?

    • It’s all a matter of meeting the customer’s needs. A stock offering is generally convenient, accessible, and can be ridden prior to purchase. Not unique, but more than enough for a proportion of buyers.

    • Spider

      $4.5k+ for a steel frame is ridiculous money in my opinion, made in Taiwan by who knows who….stock sizes…..this is silly. I try to always present a positive attitude, but this is just too much. For that kind of money you should be able to buy a custom steel frame with custom graphics by a knowledgeable builder with years of experience, reputation and history who will tune the tubeset & measurements to your requirements and stand by their work. Options for custom, reputable, established builders would be many.

      Modern steel frames by their very nature are illogical (high end technology with race/aggressive geometry but then heavy and non-aerodynamic) but this goes past the illogical border into the land of ridiculous.

      • Sean Doyle

        I agree with you up to the point where you say steel is illogical. Not heavy, not flexy, with a ride unlike any other material and aero really only matters to the elite.

        • dsd74

          I agree with you as well, I’d love to find a reasonably priced steel frame just because… I don’t really care about the aerodynamics of a steel frame versus a carbon one or how many watts I’d “save” by having X over Y on my bike. On a related note, I recently saw someone riding a bike-share bike up the main climb in the Montreal World Tour race and keeping up with a pair of guys looking “pro”; thought that funny though I doubt they did!
          I’m guessing the best marginal gains most cyclists can make is to ride more and spend less time debating online incessantly on which future purchase will save them 2.83 seconds in a 40km time-trial that they will most likely never do…

          • Gavin Adkins

            Re reasonably priced steel road frame, try the All City Mr Pink or LeMond Washoe (bit pricier, but it’s 853 tubing).

        • Spider

          I’ve owned 3 steel frames (all custom) and still ride one, so I’m a big believer….and illogical is not meant to be negative (calling the Ritte silly and rediculous is meant to be derogatory though). Passion is never logical!

          However, even after 8 years on the Pegoretti it still doesn’t make any sense….it has race geometry, is very responsive and designed to be ridden fast…it is by no means a ‘slow day roll’ bike….it gets better the fitter and faster you are….so it’s designed for fast, fit, strong riders…..which are the exact riders who are riding a carbon bike that is half the weight (frame and fork are half the weight) and more aerodynamic.

          • Sean Doyle

            I think though, and it is purely my opinion is that you are putting too much emphasis on weight and aero. Weight we realise now is really not that important, in the range we are talking about, unless you are racing up alpine stages. Aero? There are so many data points thrown around these days that while I believe there is some benefit I’m not certain that there is enough real world benefit for the people who would consider a steel bike to sway them to getting the latest aero job instead..

            • Spider

              Completely agree, steel bike frame buyers are buying something other than aero and light weight….but any ride down beach road will show us that this is the vast minority of riders. Most riders seem to be fairly new to the sport, have only ever known carbon and have been marketed to about the advantages of lightweight and now aero for performance.

              • Sean Doyle

                and that’s a good point. The vast majority of riders these days have never ridden anything but carbon and a little bit of aluminium. They see the marketing and hear stories of ancient times when everyone road steel but they moved on because it was too heavy and too flexy. Aero is only a late comer to the landscape in the way we are seeing it now. They are easy marketing data points because you can actually measure then along with things like frame stiffness and to some extent vertical flex with G meters. One big determining factor though is the rider and if someone doesn’t fit on a bike so that it hampers their efficiency then it dosen’t matter how light or aero the bike is you are still going to suck. What the metals may give away to carbon in weight they make up for access to custom frames without spending a million bucks.

      • Mike

        There are many things that are illogical Spider, your name for example. But that doesn’t mean you are not a nice person.

        • Spider

          Perfectly logical. I’m 6 foot 7 and have incredibly long legs, so the padre of the peloton named me Spider. I am a nice person, thanks for asking.

  • jon

    They got one super PR machine. I’ve heard story where people were trying to interview for the Ritte team during its early days. I was really confuse as to why someone needs to be on a club team so badly that They’re willing to interview for it. I honestly don’t get the appeal of it.

    • Sean Doyle

      Because they think they can ‘buy’ their way into being cool by association.

  • harv

    Interesting review, and i note your comment re Ritte having success with open mould frames rather than custom. Is this current model, Ace, still an open mould/ Taiwan sourced frame? Seems an awful lot to pay for nothing unique in terms of frame design/R&D/construction etc.

    • Bob Barrett

      This is their own design completely.

  • RayG

    Dunno. I look at the frame of the Ace in profile, especially the black one, and the words that pop into my head are “Giant TCR”. $4000 at Giant gets you a complete Ultegra bike.

    • Durianrider

      Giant also makes its own bikes. I rode a Ritte recently and it was not bad but defo not as good as the late model TCR’s or Defy’s in terms of handling and pedaling stiffness or weight.

  • Durianrider

    Looks like another Hong Fu FM066 but about 10x the price. Nice colors though.

    They are all coming out of the same factories in 2015.

    Id rather get a Giant Defy 2016 with DA9000 mechanical and discs for the same frame as an open mould catalogue bike coming out of XDS factory in Taiwan.

    • Bob Barrett

      It’s quite obviously not a Hong Fu FM066, they look very different. As mentioned it’s a monocoque design, which I’m pretty sure the giants aren’t.

      • Gavin Adkins

        I’m not normally one to back up the banana muncher, and I don’t know if it’s a Hong Fu, but they do look similar.

    • Leonard Frost

      Why would you buy a Giant? Get 1000 instagram followers and they give you one for free.

      • Gavin Adkins


      • Spider

        I’d rather be one of the 1000’s with a commonly seen, high value-for-money bike (produced by a company with a massive R&D budget and a long & strong reputation for quality) than the sucker who paid $4500 for a stock steel frame made in taiwan by persons unknown and then branded by a ‘rider-owned’ brand. Put me on a great Giant anyday*

        * I do not own a Giant – I just don’t find the brand or it’s success objectionable in any way. Whilst these frames I do find objectionable.

  • velocite

    Reminds me of a joke: young chap goes into a pharmacy and asks for Tampax. Pharmacist asks him why he wants it. Young chap says he read that if you use these things you can play golf, tennis and water ski, and right now I can’t do any of those things. As things stand I can’t ‘prance lightly up the slopes’, so perhaps I need the Ace.


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  • winkybiker

    I had a look at their site. The graphics on their other bikes are cool. I’m not feeling the love with these two, though. Too pricey, and the FD bracket brazing on that steel frame is sketchy. And the carbon bike isn’t interesting in any way. And just what is a “rider-owned” brand anyway?

    • 900Aero

      It means the owners ride bikes. Like those other rider-owned brands: Cervelo(well Phil & Gerard did), Specialized, Pinarello, Canyon, Boardman……

      Not my speed but they’ve come this far so they must be doing something right for someone.

  • Les

    Nice photography

    • Spider

      Campy cranks with speedplay pedals look great.

  • Keir

    I’m biased about stainless steel and it’s ride qualities owning Mclennan Cycles but it is a beautiful material. It is stiff and compliant but not as light as titanium. My 56cm Llewellyn lug equipped KVA stainless steel road bike with Chorus, R45 to alloy rim wheels, alloy bars etc comes in at around mid 7s in the weight range. It is important when considering a steel or stainless steel frame is to consider the ride comfort that is offered as well as the handling. Mid 4s in price is probably reasonable at the moment for a stainless frame set considering the Australian dollar as we speak. I would like to know what the tubing is though. I think that is important as there are some qualities that are important for different riders. For those that are saying that the Ritte product is too expensive you also have to take into account that other stainless offerings are usually custom like ours and your wait time may be considerable. Convenience and speed of delivery is something many people are prepared to pay for. Stainless steel bikes are a delight to ride, a little bit different and not frightfully expensive to be honest. If you’re the sort of person that would rather have a Morgan than a Porsche then they might be for you. Mind you if you want the frame from my Australian frame builder to me for all the lugs, dropouts and fork crown to be filed, sanded and polished before heading off for paint prepare to pay a lot more than 4.5k. Whatever you’re riding have a lovely ride today.

    Keir Whitcher
    McLennan Cycles

  • Mohammad Mursi b Abdul Rahim

    Apologies for running out of topic, was wondering what camera do you use for this feature? =)

  • david__g

    I could get a custom built Mercian for half the price of that steel thing, and as everyone has said, why pay so much for a carbon frame that looks like a Giant and probably rides no different at all. I just don’t get it (it being this obsession with branding and perceived uniqueness and how ‘cool’ something is)

    • Sean Doyle

      Yep. I think people are a little tired of seeing or riding the big brands and are looking for something different. No harm in it as long as you go in as an correctly informed buyer. Do the research.

  • Kellen Hassell

    “I’ve long suspected that much of the engineering that has been devoted to improving the comfort of carbon endurance/fondo bikes could have been easily achieved with steel, and the Snob proves the point.”


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