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  • get over it

    Annnnnnnd welcome to first world problems….
    Hint: open another browser tab and use Street View there. Shock horror!

    • Barney

      Which is in no way hugely inconvenient for every. Single. Segment.

      • Sean Doyle

        Were you running out of breath at the end of your sentence?

        • Kieran Degan

          Those KOM’s take a while to recover from

    • Joel Dudgeon

      That’s a ridiculous comment and suggests that you are just a casual user of Strava (and likely not a premium member.) Having to locate the exact point in the ride or segment you want to view in a separate browser window with Google Maps is time consuming and tedious when previously it was a simple drag-and-drop. No longer can you simply find a spot on the activity and go right to streetview – now you have to go to Google Maps, enter the approximate address, zoom, compare to the activity, zoom/tweak some more, then open streetview and do this every time you want to check out a street view!

      This also doesn’t address how terribly poor the satellite imagery is compared to Google Maps, even for a well surveyed area like where I live. I can’t even zoom to view a single street in OSM – the best I can get is a broad view of my town and part of the surrounding area; with Google Maps I can zoom right down to see details in the pavement.

      • get over it

        Been a premium member for 5 years. Still dont think its a big deal. Big men dont cry.

        • Joel Dudgeon

          No one’s “crying” but I’m seriously considering going back to a free account when my renewal comes up next year. I don’t pay for services that don’t suit my needs. I’ll miss having all the power data in one place, but GoldenCheetah and Garmin Connect can show me all the power/segment info that I won’t be able to see anymore on Strava.

        • Idon’t Know

          Big men don’t make childish posts like you do that are obviously wrong. Run along now troll. You are still on the playground with the kids.

    • Lucky

      Hit the nail right on the head. You would think the European refugee crisis would make people take stock on how lucky they are.

      • Jake(Aus)

        Can we delete comments like this? It implies we cannot have a discussion about anything cycling related without being selfish and uncaring human beings. Obviously a ridiculous statement to make, and I think it classes as trolling given it has no relevance whatsoever to the topic of conversation.

        • Dave B

          I’m with you Jake, Maybe you shoud sell your bike to support the refugees “Lucky”?

        • Even more lucky.

          Hasn’t been deleted. :)

      • Dan

        Your post certainly helped the refugees.

      • Idon’t Know

        What an idiotic comment.

    • Idon’t Know

      Clearly Strava did this to save money. On a product customers were already paying for and now they are getting an inferior one. I’ll be looking at an alternative.

  • jules

    haven’t noticed it. I do use Google Maps, which has a brilliant option to automatically plot cycling-friendly routes from A to B. if I’m going somewhere unfamiliar, or taking a new route, I’ll use that, translate it manually into Garmin Connect courses, upload to my Garmin, use the Garmin for navigating my ride, then upload the ride later to Strava and collect kudos. easy :)

  • Will

    I agree it’s a pain. Even small stuff like not being able to pan on a map preview on the segment list….

  • Chris

    Huh. By huge coincidence I noticed only today that the maps had changed. And that was because a section of map had a lot more detail than I was used to in GMaps.
    I play online games – from that, I’d say Strava has to beware of the vocal screaming minority. Both in that there is a perception that their screaming reflects actual problems and that their screaming can influence the thinking of others. It’s sad seeing a nothing issue be blown up by keyboard warriors.
    I think Strava has gotten better since I went premium. Flybys and global heat maps are great. I honestly can’t think that streetview has ever been a part of my experience in Strava, despite using it all the time in GMaps to look at roads for cycling.
    People really want to experience a company that doesn’t seem to care about its userbase? Go right ahead to Garmin Connect.

    • Idon’t Know

      Oh I seriously doubts a minority. But yeah since it doesn’t bother you it shouldn’t bother anyone else amirgiht?

  • claude cat

    didn’t even notice.

    • Eat More Lard

      Didn’t notice either. I use ridewithgps to plot routes anyway. Maybe I need to get out less and spend more time pouring over the detail of Strava. Or maybe not. No association with the “Lard” mentioned in the article by the way except to say how dare they use my name without permission!

      • I’m the same. I didn’t know you could even plan routes using Strava until a friend showed me. Been using RideWithGPS for years now.

      • Rich

        The problem with planning routes on RWGPS, is that you then can’t identify the Strava segments on that route. Or do you know of a way?

    • Albert

      I didn’t notice either.
      I have to say, I don’t see why Strava doesn’t do both.
      Use OSM for free users and Google Maps for paid users.
      I personally like the ethos behind OSM (users can edit maps – meaning that over time the crowd-sourced content improves the maps). But I appreciate Google Maps is a polished product that paying users would expect.

      • Idon’t Know

        Because they are trying to save money including on people who paid for a feature they are now not getting.

    • duanegran

      Same here. I’ve been known to obsess over a segment and conjure grand plans from my office chair about what I’ll do on the bike, so I “recon” the course a little with the maps. I didn’t even notice something changed and I’m surprised at the level of outrage over it. I guess my local OSM maps are just plain better than what people have in other areas or I haven’t needed street view for my cases.

  • Donut

    What shits me is their change to default activity names when uploading a ride captured from a Garmin device to Strava. Instead of date/time/location, it’s morning ride or something equally mundane. There’s lots of upset users on the Strava forum complaining about this one too.

    • jules

      really? wait til life serves up some real problems and they’ll soon learn not to worry about what Strava calls their rides

      • Andy Logan

        Shows what a gumby I have been, I was wondering why everyone was calling their rides morning/afternoon/evening ride and thought was it some weird Internet cult meme that was going on, that I wasn’t aware of.

        Nope, just Strava doing an update.

        To be clear, I upload via the Pioneer platform so hadn’t seen this “functionality”

      • Mick

        It’s more about what other people -aren’t- calling their rides. When your feed is full of “Morning Ride” casual users and you can’t see where they rode at a glance, it kind of takes away some of the “social” aspect to it. Keeping in mind that Strava is a social network, removing some of that social aspect has quite a negative impact on some of their communities. Also, “real problems” are relative. Yes, children are starving in Africa, but I’m sure if you lost your wallet and couldn’t eat for an evening you’d see that as a “real problem” – it’s all relative. If users are used to something that’s quite useful and that’s taken away and replaced by something that’s quite useless, the inconvenience has a negative impact and is a problem.

        • Superpilot

          The city and date are as nondescript as morning/afternoon if you ask me. Both are ‘unsociable’. I prefer to read a customized ride heading. I do hate having the date in the ride title from a default garmin upload though, Strava shows you the date anyway.. But just my opinion, and you are welcome to yours also :)

      • Dan

        well your life must be pretty cush if you have time to care about other people’s first world problems.

    • Eat More Lard

      A significant portion of my brainpower (so not much then? – Ed) on a ride is spent thinking up a ride title so I always change it anyway. It so hard to come up with a snappy title every time.

    • Rondje

      That’s also one of the things that annoys me the most. The way they announced it “Hey we changed the naming, we’d like to hear your feedback but we aren’t gonna change it anytime soon” is just extremely bad. Why are you even interested in our opinion if you are not planning to use it. I really liked the Garmin file names and only renamed my rides on big rides or events. Now everything is Morning/Lunch rides, I much prefer to see where I rode instead of if it was lunch time or not.

    • Superpilot

      This made me totally LOL. Whenever I uploaded, it had my city name twice, and the date and time are recorded on the ride in Strava anyway, so it was redundant. Good riddance, IMHO, YMMV :)

    • Mick

      Pretty sure this is related to the same change. Mapbox Geocoding is still in Beta and Strava don’t want to pay Google for geocoding anymore. That’s why they won’t change it back. Plenty of people complaining, but as Strava have been haemorrhaging money, they’re not listening. Too many freeloaders who are too cheap to buy premium and too cool to wear the kit. They use the service daily but won’t do anything to support it.

  • Toddykins

    This is not a minor concern when you are planning routes in an unfamiliar area with few segments. OSM makes it really tough to determine what is paved and/or passable on a road bike. It’s not enough to make me cancel my membership, but this shouldn’t be dismissed as a non issue. When there are no segments you can’t use the pop out street view box and it was way more convenient to be able to use in route builder street views + higher resolution satelitte pics. The only way to tell on some roads now is to sort through the activities of someone who has done to see if they mainly road bike.

    • osm

      > OSM makes it really tough to determine what is paved and/or passable on a road bike

      Maybe in your area. But in my area, OSM is clearly superior to Google Maps. (Obviously the solution then is to let users, or at least Premium users, choose their map provider).

      • This is a key point. The level of detail in OSM varies from location to location, which explains why some users didn’t notice the switch (OSM data is good in their area, so not much different to Google Maps) and why some are outraged (OSM has barely any data in their area – see screenshot in the article). The good thing is that OSM is easily updated; the problem is it’s a step backwards in the meantime for those in areas where OSM data is inferior to that in Google Maps.

        • I LIKE TURLES

          Also, the pricing listed in the article is wrong. Their website shows it as 6.49 for a month and 64.99 for a year in AUD

      • Joel Dudgeon

        …and what area would that be? I haven’t seen many areas in North America that area better represented in OSM than Googe Maps, so I’m curious if this is different, for example, in Europe.

        • Sander Deryckere

          The place with the biggest quality difference is probably in rural USA indeed. The USA is the country where Google starts all its services, while its rural parts are very sparsely inhabited, making it hard to find volunteer contributors. Next to that, the USA has a big number of good map services, which results in an even lower number of volunteers, as they don’t see the benefit in it. Europe typically had only expensive, national mapping services, or second-grade tools from providers like Google, which is why OSM started in Europe and also stays more popular in Europe. Just compare some cities in Germany for example: http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#15/50.9294/6.8889&num=2&mt0=geofabrik-de&mt1=google-map

          Though of course, OSM only offers map data, and no aerial pictures or things like streetview (though MapBox does offer aerial pictures from other providers). So I must agree that OSM isn’t a full replacement for Google Maps in many cases. It’s only a partial replacement, and we could use some companies to offer competition against Google in the areas where they have a clear monopoly (like streetview).

  • Adam Fuller

    Is this the reason I’m getting fewer medals on my rides? Thank god it’s Strava’s fault and not mine.

    • jules

      no it’s cos you’re average 13 km/h!

  • Thomas

    It is not just the Google / OSM debacle that is upsetting Strava users, it is the raft of features that have been identified (Strava > Support > Community Fourm > Suggest a new feature) yet not implemented. These are typically small features that would make a considerable improvement to the service and already introduced by their competitors. Some of these have been open for years. Strava currently seems isolated from a significant portion of it’s customer base. Not a good position to be in such a competitive and dynamic environment. Hopefully they will improve.

    • Jan

      Strava is well known for not listening. What about PM – till now we have to leave comments to get in touch. What about private settings that really work? Even “private” club discussions are visible for everyone… No Premium Membership for me…

  • aradilon

    Yeah finnaly a blogpost about this, i really hate it, i love to make routes for my cyclingclub and what used to be a breeze is now alot slower! And yeah u can open another browsertab, but u have to search the street and it’s so much slower!

  • Aaron Heaysman

    Universities are teaching open source mapping programs more now because on top of being free they give the ability to use an increased range of user programs, I’m sure this is the intention of Strava as per the article, however it may of been an option to wait until these services are available before changing mapping services or having both available.

  • Adam_Eckersley

    I’d like to think the change is possibly due to a plan to introduce turn by turn navigation. This isn’t possible when using Google Maps as has been acknowledged by Strava previously however, and I’m obviously no expert on online cartography, it may be possible with their new provider maybe?

  • Hakan Fondo

    Strava has biggest cycling gps data archive and using it to enhance open maps. This is nice point

    • Idon’t Know

      They don’t have street view. Open Maps never will.

  • Jessy Vee

    I’m trying to work out why this is a big deal… I had to open strava in a new window and actually look at the maps and I’m still perplexed. Keeping in mind that I’m not riding much, so currently don’t have a premium account, I still can’t work out the difference. ‘Create a new route’ uses google maps (there’s a google logo in the corner) and open maps looks pretty much the same on my screen (I’m not getting the black image in the screen shots above).

    I’m not quite sure why people can’t open a new browser window with google street view in full screen when they are exploring new parts… It’s not like street view is actually any good – it never seems to have a view of any of the roads that I want to ride down! haha

  • Marcus

    As Adam mentioned, I wonder if there’s something in the Google Maps license that Strava don’t like the sound of for future functionality.

    > No navigation. You will not use the Service or Content for or in connection with (a) real-time navigation or route guidance; or (b) automatic or autonomous vehicle control.

    > No asset-tracking unless you have purchased the applicable Maps for Work license. Unless you have purchased an applicable Maps for Work license that expressly permits you to do so, you will not use the Service or Content for commercial asset-tracking or in Maps API Implementations whose primary purpose is to assess vehicle insurance risks.

    are a couple that stand out.

    • Idon’t Know

      What they don’t like the sound of is paying for google maps. Pretty obvious.

  • Dan Gordon

    I don’t use Strava (I’m a bit old school, so I keep all my gps tracks in a folder on my hard drive instead), but I do plan touring rides using cycletour.org, which is a derivative of OSM, and which completely blows away Google Maps in terms of the detail it offers outside of urban areas in Australia. Roads in National Parks and State Parks, in particular, were seriously terrible in GM, and generally great in OSM. If you’re just riding around the city, then it’s a different story.

  • ed

    whats strava? i ride on sensations

    • Eat More Lard

      Yet you still read the article… ;)

  • ArtY

    Didn’t even notice the change and it doesn’t bother me anyway.

  • Brent Sword

    Most gps devices can send to multiple services anyway like strava or map my ride. Seems petty to “stop using” because something else uses goggle maps when you can just sign up to both and have your device send to both. Surely the main point of strava is the segments, use the other service when you want to map a ride.

  • Alexander Yatsina

    Noticed the difference, I am premium member. not going to change, because for my demanding mind it’s ok!

  • prog

    In sweden as an example, google never did streetview on the extensive gravel road network. So just holding the little streetview guy over the map quickly told you if and where the fun parts were. I miss that now

  • Andrew Lowe

    Nice little Google Chrome plugin for Strava: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stravistix-for-strava/dhiaggccakkgdfcadnklkbljcgicpckn
    He’s going to implement Google Maps in October release.

    • Karl

      And it’s now out (if anyone still cares…)

  • Simon Gamble

    #firstworldproblems if only they knew how much it cost a business to use Google maps

  • crossgeared

    I’m a Strava premium member and I think the new maps are an improvement, mostly for off road rides. Whatever the case, I can’t see how this is a large enough issue to warrant its own article.

  • Jean-François Lamy

    I’m for the change. I’m a trail runner and I’m able to fix trail maps with Strava Slide which could never be done with Google.

  • Rohan Christmas

    Where I live I’d say that a good third of the roads aren’t even on OSM. When I flick to the satellite mode the image quality isn’t even good enough to identify many of these missing roads. It’s even worse when looking at off road routes through forested areas. With Google satellite imagery the routes were easy to make out but they are barely visible with the OSM satellite imagery.

    • Superpilot

      But you have the ability to add the trail tracks to OSM from your GPS, which you will never be able to for GM

      • Rohan Christmas

        Once I have ridden the route I know where it goes. The problem is finding out where the route goes in the first place.

        • Superpilot

          Which is great, when someone has loaded it for you from their GPS :) but yeah, I get what you’re saying, as well as telling the difference between a gravel and sealed road…

  • Peter

    Just looked at Strava after reading this article. I haven’t used it in a while as I use Endomondo instead.

    Maybe they have changed stuff since the article was written, but it seems to me Strava has three mapping options which still use Google Maps data – Standard, Terrain and Satellite (see note bottom right of map) and OSM option uses OSM data.

    But I can’t see a way to use Google StreetView anywhere from within Strava.

  • claude cat

    Seems they didn’t have a choice?
    Google are walking away from their map “engine” platform. So this was going to happen no matter what.

    http://geospatial.blogs.com/geospatial/2015/03/google-retires-its-geospatial-products-google-earth-enterprise-google-maps-engine-and-google-maps-co.html

  • Anthony Zahra

    Ha, I am more than a casual user. I have premium, but to be honest, I never even noticed.

  • Stuttgart5

    Love Strava’s heat maps. Don’t love the weak zoom when creating a route.

    • Karl

      Weak zoom? Maybe you’re in Terrain mode which doesn’t have as high resolution tilesets as Standard or Satellite.

  • Ewen Hill

    I have used Bing, Google, OSM and a host of other maps for websites for many years and licensing changes are one of the biggest bugbears that hit you and your finances hard.

    OSM in Australia has improved remarkably in the last three years. I would have been hesitant to deliver OSM maps then but not now and I believe that MTB trails are probably more accurate than Google in a lot of places and in another two years will have well and truly overtaken Google with a number of councils starting to upload content directly. The number of people leaving premium will be outweighed by the licensing reduction and does Strava need that 2% or so who will depart to other apps?

    I have attached a node density map (0.1 degrees) for Australia from this month and the link is below that shows that the capital cities are well covered (dark red/black areas) however the further you move from these centers, the less information there is and possibly poor information for cyclists.

    https://ewen.cartodb.com/viz/043f80dc-554b-11e5-9fd2-0e9d821ea90d/embed_map

    I would much prefer that they spend time fixing ANT+ and investing in this sort of connectivity than paying Google for a service that is ostensible free.

  • Ben Around

    I’m more than a casual user of Strava. I found the change in maps a slight perturbation in my usage of Strava but not a great concern. I ride road and MTB and find the OSM maps better for trails. For detailed look at unfamiliar MTB terrain I have always been a user of Google Earth. Google Earth has the advantage of providing elevation which is obviously a concern when planning climbing. So I’ve already been downloading GPX tracks for Strava rides and dropping them on a Google Earth window and incidentally using Street View for roads.

    Strava Live Segments more than makes up for the loss of Google Maps. I also use VeloViewer. Some time ago I requested (and got) a VV feature to click and download the waypoints for the start and end of any segment. Besides viewing them you can load them into your GPS. Live Segments have replaced that and more.

  • allen27360

    Yeah, who cares. The whole point of competitive cycling is getting out of doors, riding, and racing. Stop looking at your bloody screen all day and peddle hard!

  • Frank

    Personally, I didn’t even notice the change to OSM. When ever I create a route, I don’t use the streetview, I turn on the heatmap to see where more people are riding. If I notice that no one rides on that road, it tells me that its either gravel, high traffic or some other issue. Working in the mapping industry, I can see the benefits of OSM, as it will allow them to create more custom maps and applications that are more specific to the users needs. The great thing about OSM, is if you see an area is missing data, digitize it in and then everyone will get access to the new roads, trails etc.

  • Luzandro

    You have to distinguish two points here: actual map data and aerial images / streetview. OpenStreetMap provides only the first, but at least in europe it’s often far superior to google maps if you are also interested in bicycle routes or smaller tracks and paths offroad.
    On the other hand, the quality of the satellite images provided by google also varies around the world, but typically they are much better than the ones provided by Mapbox (there are also areas where it’s the other way around). And finally there isn’t any alternative to streetview that can be taken serious.
    I don’t know how the pricing models for Google/Mapbox and the map requests from strava are and if it would be reasonable to change the default views to Mapbox/Openstreetmap to significantly reduce the map requests for Google Maps, but keep Google as alternative.

  • Andy B

    how much of this decision was a result of the updates to Garmins allowing live segments?
    I imagine it would be easier to have this data sent to the garmin unit using OSM

  • Thomas

    You should try this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stravistix-for-strava/dhiaggccakkgdfcadnklkbljcgicpckn

    Google Maps in Strava have been revived in through this chrome plugin (StravistiX)

  • Jeff Parry

    Better to abandon ones iPhone and use Strava on android, maps are very good.

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