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  • ceedee

    Would I be right in saying that GreenEdge are moving to a more international roster?

    • Bex

      They’ve got a few internationals, but they did sign a few young guns who’ll be riding for them next yr. Robbie Power, Jack Haig, Edmo(?) so i’d say they’re retaining a similar majority of aussies.

    • claude cat

      What about MTN-Qhubeka-Di-Data? They have more imports than African riders these days.

      • donncha

        They still have 11 African riders on the squad for next year, down from 13 last year.

        Developing African riders is still an important part of their goals, though realistically, I’m not sure there’s the depth in African cycling yet for them to step up to WT with a majority African team. They also would have preferred to have kept Meintjes.

    • jules

      the notion of a ‘national’ trade team is flawed. the problem is it risks becoming a safe haven for talented cyclists who find a home, a nice salary and comfort in the knowledge their position on the team is protected by their nationality. it’s not always conducive to team goals – i.e. winning races.

      • Dave

        Indeed, which is why it is good for OGE that they are growing up and leaving that stage behind.

    • velocite

      I agree that it would be interesting to hear from Matt White et al about their strategy. But what prompts your question?

      • ceedee

        Haven’t done the numbers, but it’s seems like Australian riders leaving the squad and are generally being replace by international riders.

        • Jessy Vee

          They’ve released a few internationals, too… Ivan Santaromita for one.

          • Bex

            and jens mouris

          • claude cat

            Blythe & Weening

  • donncha

    Looking forward to seeing if Cam Meyer can get back on track. Seemed to lose his way a bit at OGE. Anyone know what the deal was?

    Most of the young Aussie track stars haven’t progressed as much as I’d have expected at OGE. Hepburn, Howard, Meyer & Bobridge seemed to go OK initially but then progress stopped. Even Durbo had a pretty quiet year this year. So, what gives? Is it bad management, or a bit of burnout after being all-conquering on the track?

    • Jessy Vee

      If I remember correctly, Meyer was initially touted as OGE’s first future GC contender and he did quite well at a few one week races, but perhaps they pushed him in a direction that he wasn’t really suited, or his real grand tour climbing legs never came and so he never lived up to the hype. They had a heap of good young Australian riders fresh out of the AIS, but probably mismanaged them or couldn’t develop them into superstars in their own right because they too many other choices in the team. It’s a bit hard to shine when you’ve got the likes of Matthews, Gerrans and Chaves on your team. Durbo did solid work in the grand tours, but he seems to have taken on a specific domestique role and sits at the front pulling long turns. I’d like to see him develop into a rider for the cobbled classics.

      • jules

        what’s missing there Jessy is reasons linked to Meyer himself. you see guys like Sagan and Contador, and Gerrans who have shown great determination to keep improving themselves from early in their careers. Gerro in particular I admire – he apparently rubbed up against team mgt at Gan (from memory?) in shooting for stage wins, when they wanted him to work for others – presumably French team riders. the guy is a born winner – he has that grit that maximises his chances of eventually succeeding. a lot of the OGE riders have had some success (Cam Meyer, on the track) but haven’t really followed through. I don’t know the full story but some of them seem happy to quietly sit in the background. Bling Matthews isn’t one of them.

        • Jessy Vee

          Absolutely agree… But without having followed Meyer’s career specifically, I didn’t feel like I could comment about his headspace and determination. You mentioned Sagan’s determination, but I feel like he has a lot of grit, talent and tenacity but sometimes lacks focus and hence doesn’t always get the results that we all know he can get. Guys like Gerrans, Kristoff and Contador have talent, a good head for race tactics AND focus so they’re always going to get results on races they’ve aimed for… Guys like Froome have focus and a great head for racing and they rely on the numbers game instead of blind luck, but perhaps their entire season is based on one specific race, rather than results throughout the year. Sagan is going to be an absolute powerhouse as he matures… He’s already proven that he’s grown up a lot this year.

          A rider like Simon Clarke seems very determined, but doesn’t get a lot of opportunity, or perhaps is lacking a little in his fitness to keep up… But it’s always great seeing him in a breakaway (and cheering for the local kid who grew up around the corner!). I’m sad to see him leaving OGE.

          Edit: take my words with a grain of salt. I know nothing ;)

          • Sean Doyle

            I’m glad Clarke is leaving OGE. He might get some chances to ride for himself instead of being a super domestique. He is IMO the most under rated of Australia’s elite WT riders often finishing higher in results than his team leader especially at World Champs.

            • Jessy Vee

              Sad to see him leaving because I’ve never been a fan of Cannondale-Garmin – Vaughters annoys me so much ;) But I hope Clarke gets some great opportunities. They didn’t seem to do much for Nathan Haas and Steele Von Hoff, though.

              • Sean Doyle

                Haas and Von Hoff are different riders IMO and Clarke is a few season ahead of them in sporting maturity. he has a massive engine which is good for the endurance needed for the big WT races. I think you’ll find him a leader at CG, well lets hope so anyway.

          • jules

            at risk of sounding like one of those spruikers on a TV advertising channel, I’m a firm believer in the power of the mind. I think Bjarne Riis(?) once said Contador was the most precise rider he’d ever seen – he did everything to prepare for races, training, analysis.. you take like guys like Wiggo – massive engine, huge talent, spent a year drinking beer at the pub and smoking cigars. then worked with Shane Sutton to turn it around and finally win the Tour. then back to a lower level. it’s a lot about making the decision to use your talents to their maximum. you see guys like Gerro – once they get there, their confidence is up, they just keep going.

            Froome is often treated like he has some kind of unfair advantage, but I’d bet good money if you compared his preparation to his competitors’, the reason for his domination would become clearer. same with Vos in the women’s tour.

            • Jessy Vee

              Yep! Wasn’t Eddy Merckx incredibly anal about his bike fit, to the point where he’d pull over and whip out a wrench to move his saddle up 1mm in the middle of a race? And Contador is equally as specific about which bike he rides; if he has a mechanical and has to change bikes, he’ll often opt for his mechanic to fix his ‘best’ bike during the stage and swap back to it… It’s made a lot of people comment that he’s cheating with a bike with a built in motor but I don’t think he’d be so stupid… But then, I didn’t think Nibali would be so stupid as to hold on to a team car at this years Vuelta!

              Froome is a clockwork rider and it makes me so sad when I see people talk about him being a doper and cheater… My only complaint with Froome is that he’s kinda boring to watch. :D

              • Andy B

                Im sorry and ima let you finish but froomeys attack on ventoux was one of the greatest of all time…
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52xv2Hg2fkI

                • Jessy Vee

                  I stand corrected… That was a little bit magnificent. :)

              • jules

                I think the narrative around Froome has been unfair. People have become used to saying that he is predictable and dominant, but the fact is he almost lost this year’s Tour in the last week. I thought it was a good race to watch and it’s a pity that labels stick.

            • Liam O’Dea

              Re: Wiggo “win the Tour. then back to a lower level.” It’s a tough crowd around here when a lower level = only one world championship :)

    • Paolo

      The standard career path for a world class Aussie U19 or U23 track rider is a burn out before the age of 24, so no surprise there. If you compare the way they train and prepare for track events at U19 level already with other nations it’s no surprise really.

      • Dave

        Also on the road.

        We must have the highest ratio of junior world championship success to elite world championship success in the world.

  • Joel

    They are turning their attention to the GC which is the natural progression for a team. the team is only Australian owned and registered. It’s an international sport. Best of luck to Cam Meyer. He was the subject of a lot of hype but of course he is a multiple world champion on the track so it was all deserved. I don’t think he lost his way at all. he’s ridden the tour about three times and taken those TTT victories. I reckon this year or the next he’ll obtain some greater individual honours

    • Sean Doyle

      Unfortunately because the TDF and the money involved they have to have a tour contending team to attract money. They have already proven to be a great one day team with some bloody strong riders. It’s a shame the TDF has such an influence on the sport. Personally I couldn’t care less for the Tour, I still watch it and the other GT’s because I love bike racing but it’s kind of meh! a lot of the time.

  • echidna_sg

    how many gears for 145km/hr? well it would help if the photo of the bike had the right set of gears magnified in photoshop to start with ;-)

    • Sean

      You need big gears to go fast, I reckon it’s legit. ;-)

    • Karl

      They should be on the front wheel, not the back

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