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  • Daniel

    I don’t think it is an unreasonable suggestion to make that an available bike path might be a preferable place for a recumbent than a 100km/hr road.
    I don’t know the stretch of road nor whether the bike path was of good quality and the article should have actually addressed those issues. Similarly, the photo of the stretch of road at night is a bit misleading, given that the crash occurred at 4pm.
    These sorts of matters need to be part of the discussion. Dismissing them out of hand as “victim blaming” isn’t helpful to anyone.

    • RayG

      That didn’t take long. Go read the comments on the Border Mail site.

    • claude cat

      It would have been better if the policeman had said nothing at all. By stating his position it naturally infers fault to the victim.
      The bike path in the area in unsuitable to anything other than mountain bikes or bikes with wide tires.
      The rider was a highly experienced Audax rider, on a 600km randonnee.

    • Hamish Moffatt

      Please, keep your uninformed comments about the event and the rider to yourself

  • Paulmapp

    Great article on the Bridie hour attempt (Ella) and cross promotion with the TDU. Reckon i might get along to support and enjoy both next year.

    • I’ll be interested to know what Bridie is aiming for in terms of average wattage. Nick Bensley (an amateur who had an informal go at it earlier in the year) averaged 380 watts, but he didn’t have any aero tuning, experience on the track, pacing strategy, or even a proper bike setup. Nick ended up doing 48.275 kilometers: https://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/02/putting-the-hour-record-in-perspective-how-does-an-amateur-compare/

      I’m guessing that Bridie could achieve better than 46.273 kilometres with under 300 watts (ave) with the proper tuning and pacing. Is Alex Simmons reading? Your thoughts?

      • jules

        you should consider an article on setting up a TT rig. I’ve discovered there’s quite a lot to getting it right. obviously all of your readers are running TT rigs :)

      • Paulmapp

        Having never attended an hour attempt i assume it may be tricky to convey (to the assembled crowd) just what is happening with the pacing and attempt in real time (as a vehicle for crowd assisted motivation) although i assume an knowledgable announcer is key. Imagine being able to see bike wattages, heart rate, pacing etc in realtime at the venue and a moving red record line (like swimming) to keep people updated thoughout the attempt. Offputting for the athlete maybe, but anyone crazy enough to attempt this type of suffering i imagine is pretty thick skinned? What can you expect to see?

        • I’ve only been to Bobridge’s attempt (and Nick Bensley’s, but the producting and hype wasn’t comparable). Unfortunately relying on the announcer isn’t the best source of information. There’s often people on twitter who are doing real-time split analysis which is really good. Unfortunately most don’t use a powermeter and HR doesn’t really mean much.

          • Liam O’Dea

            I’m sure it would fall foul of the commissaires to have power/HR info used as part of the commentary or displayed on a big screen for the audience to see.

            3.2.005 … any electronic device with display (for instance speedometer or
            powermeter) must be hidden to that it cannot be read by the riders.

  • Arfy

    Some irresponsible comments from the local public servants who should know better in Wangaratta. Yes the bike paths are generally good up there, but a recumbent is not ideal on those paths, far too wide to fit through some of the narrow spots and impossible to pass another cyclist coming the other way.

    But recumbents are also harder to spot than a “normal” cyclist, especially if a vehicle is cresting a hill (this is a general comment, I have no idea of the situation reported above). The flags are useless for front-on and rear visibility, as they’re usually pointing backwards in the breeze. A much more effective “be seen” method would be to have a flashing light at the top of the pole, I think an amber-coloured 360-degree visibility flashing light would be fine. It’s just I haven’t seen anything on the market, maybe someone could take this up as a project?

    • RayG

      I rode up behind a recumbent on Sunday. I could see the flag from way off, even when the actual recumbent was hidden behind the crest of a rise. They flutter, they don’t just point straight back.

    • jules

      they are easy to identify for a driver who is focusing their vision on the road ahead.

      the issue of ‘making yourself more visible’ is one that applies to drivers who aren’t really paying attention and may be relying on their peripheral vision, or worse.

      • Arfy

        The flags are next to useless on country roads, going through dappled light from trees. I’ve had the experience myself where the flag wasn’t easily visible, but on cresting a hill the recumbent “appeared”. Of course I was paying attention (you have to when you know there’s kangaroos around anyway), but it highlighted to me the difference between city riding and country riding. In cities most people aren’t driving fast enough to miss seeing you, and are expecting cyclists anyway. In the country people are driving their usual route where they’ve never seen a cyclist before and just aren’t prepared/looking for them. But my point is that despite who’s right and who’s wrong, we as cyclists are the ones who are going to end up in hospital (or worse), so please make the effort to be seen! And I just think a flashing light is much better at this than a flag.

        • jules

          I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t make any effort to be seen, out of principle. That’s otherwise known as ‘cutting your nose off to spite your face’.

          But I disagree that ‘country people.. just aren’t prepared/looking for [cyclists]’ – country people are no different to city people. They have the same eyes. I’ve driven plenty in the country – in fact I’ve driven on that section of Snow Rd many times – and if you look, you will see. Whether it’s a bicycle or whatever. Let’s stop making excuses.

          • Arfy

            I don’t think of it as an excuse, I think of it as the reality of riding on our roads and how we can adapt to make it a safer experience for ourselves.

            • jules

              my point is only that those 2 quite separate interpretations are frequently conflated, with the lazy conclusion being that cyclists are hard to see in general and it’s OK to hit them

  • velocite

    I’ve never tried one, but I don’t feel comfortable about the prospect of riding a recumbent in city traffic – too easy for a car drivers’ views of it to be obscured by other cars. But on the open road there is no such problem. And the fact that the road has a 100 kph limit is quite irrelevant. And on that road, if you’re paying attention, any vehicle will be obvious from quite a distance. I wonder what will be the driver’s story in this case. He passed the first test for decent human being after the event: he stopped and called for help. How will he respond to the second? Otherwise decent people lie about motor accidents.

    • jules

      what can you do? no one wants to go to jail. what he says afterwards to minimise his penalty isn’t important. it’s his actions beforehand and the institutional response that matter.

      • velocite

        I have occasionally texted while driving. Well, while stopped at lights, which is sailing close to the wind. I *think* that if I killed a cyclist because I was texting I’d say ‘jail me, I’m a moron’. In relation to institutional responses, our insurance contract requires that we deny liability regardless of our actual role – an institutionalized integrity vacuum.

        • jules

          it’s an unpopular thing to say, but it’s perfectly safe to SMS on your phone while driving, when it’s safe. but because people don’t understand when it’s safe, or don’t care, we end up with these stupid rules that say “you must not send an SMS while driving”. sure, it’s clear that you can’t hit a cyclist while sending an SMS, which is good, but you can more easily get away with hitting one – so long as you weren’t sending an SMS, drink-driving or breaking any other specific rules that are general predictors of risky driving. aggressive driving and deliberately putting cyclists at risk aren’t particularly illegal, even if you run a cyclist over. think about just how crazy that is.

          • RayG

            http://distracteddriveraccidents.com/texting-driving-dangerous-drunk-driving/

            “Is Texting While Driving More Dangerous Than Drunk Driving? The answer is yes. By a long-shot. Driving a vehicle while texting is six times more dangerous than driving while intoxicated,…”
            The second half of your post is on the money, though. Society treats too many road fatalities as ‘accidents’

          • Really? :-

          • velocite

            “..safe to SMS..while driving”? Well I’ll be hornswoggled!

          • winkybiker

            It most certainly is not safe to SMS while driving. That is a completely ridiculous thing to assert. The rest of your post is very difficult to understand due to poor grammar and lack of punctuation.

            • jules

              tell me, how many accidents have resulted from drivers SMSing while stuck in stationary traffic?

              • winkybiker

                OK, looking at your phone while your car is stationary is not unsafe in itself, but the temptation to continue the conversation once rolling again would be strong for most people. I’d argue that if you are looking at, or texting on your phone when the car in front finally moves off you are now stuck with a dilemma. Either stop the SMS thing and get going again (perhaps in a hurried and unsafe manner due to the surprise), or continue with the message as “just a little bit of distracted driving can’t hurt”. The safest option with phones when driving is to turn them completely off, or at least put them where you can’t reach them.

                Oh, and by the way I did struggle through the rest your poorly constructed post. I may agree with the rest of it, but I’m not sure as it is very poorly written.

                • jules

                  poorly constructed… how very dare you!

                  my point is that we don’t trust drivers to do what you’re describing – that is make disciplined decisions about precisely when to use their phone or not. we know some drivers will finish their SMS after they’ve left the traffic lights, so we have banned it altogether. this is probably the best response.

                  but the problem is that disciplined drivers who can make sensible decisions are still breaking the law for types of phone usage that are not actually dangerous. which is unfortunate.

  • The Campbell Flakemore is news to us. We never heard anything about this and are currently trying to chase him up.

  • Sean parker

    Where is that fantastic headline photo taken?

    • Michele

      It’s taken by Jered [of course] and it’s from near Lynmouth in Devon.

      The Grubers did a special a couple of years back that appeared in Peloton Magazine.

      They took some amazing shots.

      Their website is well worth checking out:

      http://www.gruberimages.pro/#!/index

      • Sean parker

        Cheers.

        Lynmouth in Devon might be my next overseas holiday destination…

  • Border Mail seems a bit precious about being criticised, rejecting this comment.Though they were happy to report ‘blame’ the bike rider

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  • Keir

    I don’t know the details of the accident but it is horrendous news. It is a wonderful area in that part of Victoria for cycling and the local community there will be very upset about a cyclist being killed on the roads up that way. We (McLennan Cycles) have just finished building a frame for a client up there. It is disappointing to hear a police officer to make such comments so quickly after the passing of this cyclist. Police officers do a great job in an environment lacking resources but i’m still a little disappointed.

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