Michael Vanthourenhout (BEL/Sunweb-Napoleon Games) crashes into the barriers 

Duinencross Koksijde WorldCup 2015
  • Sean

    The people in that car need to be thrown in jail.

    • jules

      they can’t be that hard to identify – distinctive tattoo and make of car from interior shot. I don’t think the authorities need to be brought into it though..

    • jules

      they can’t be that hard to identify – distinctive tattoo and make of car from interior shot. I don’t think the authorities need to be brought into it though..

    • Kieran Degan

      Absolute scum. That video makes me boil with anger.

  • Kieran Degan

    Taxi vs bike. In a situation like that does the car have to give right of way to the inside bike lane? If not, the taxi clearly had its indicator on so the cyclist should have stopped.

    • Dbmurray

      He did only indicate right at the last minute though…

      • Michele

        I thought he indicated left at the last minute though? :)

        • Dbmurray

          Sorry left yes :D

    • jules

      in Australia a cyclist must yield to a vehicle in front of them that is turning left. the taxi was in front, but the indicator only went on when the cyclist was alongside. taxi would be at fault in Australia, not sure about in Britain. academic anyway as good luck trying to get appropriate interpretation of law and action taken.

      • Dave

        It’s hard to tell exactly when the indicator comes on, due to the poor quality of the video. Under the Australian Road Rules that’s what makes the difference, but I’m not sure what the rules are in Britain regarding undertaking within the same marked lane.

        When I’m driving, I deal with the ambiguity with that rule by safely moving to the hard left once I’m getting close to the corner so there is no room for undertaking. Any cyclist wishing to pass can overtake on the outside or wait in line.

        What is indisputable is that it was an absolute failure of defensive riding, and I hope the cyclist got some kind of short-term injury to focus the mind a little.

        • Nitro

          “I hope the cyclist got some kind of short-term injury” ?!? Did you really need to write that ?

          • Dave

            Do you have some other suggestion as to how the lesson could be reinforced?

            • Nitro

              Maybe, maybe not, but wishing for a fellow human being to be injured – no matter the circumstances – I’m just surprised. That’s all. Will not comment further.

              • Dave

                A couple of bruises that sting for a few days is all I’m thinking, perhaps a ripped up jacket as well.

                • RayG

                  Careful of Karma. Or Carma in this case.

            • Michele

              Maybe some damage to his bike?

              It is an interesting thing to be hoping for.

        • jules

          I think the video is clear enough to show he doesn’t start indicating until the rider is alongside. I agree it’s poor defensive riding though.

          • RayG

            How can you defend against someone not signalling a turn until too late? Are you never going to undertake?

            • Dave

              Approach junctions with a little bit of caution instead of yelling ‘Geronimo!‘ and putting your head down as you dive up the inside?

            • jules

              don’t undertake past intersections and where there is a possibility of being left-hooked, ride at a speed that allows you to take evasive action and would minimise impact severity.

              • Andy B

                If that was me.. I would of just turned left on the bike

      • Neil

        I think the key point at the end of the day here is your last sentence. All this discussion is a bit academic. At the end of the day, if I was using the video to teach a cyclist about riding in traffic, he would be a failed example. Similarly, if I was trying to teach a driver about bicycle awareness, he would also be a failed example.

      • Arfy

        The Left Turn rule is one of several that are being reviewed by VicRoads:

        Left-hand turn rules – The review
        found that the current left-hand turn
        rules are confusing and don’t work
        well together.
        Feedback on how to address this
        situation has proven inconclusive
        and conflicting. In order to help
        shape the right outcomes,
        VicRoads is undertaking wider
        community consultation

        https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/cyclist-safety/cycling-road-rules-review

        • jules

          crikey.. the road rules as they apply to cyclists (and motorists’ behaviour around cyclists) are a giant mess. I just read through that review and it’s clearly structured in a way that implies “we will now examine some specific rules and ignore the broader issue of how they are not working in general”.

          any cyclist can tell you that there is an unacceptably high disregard by motorists (a minority, but still far too high) for cyclists on the road. asking questions of their knowledge of rules and concluding “well they know the rule, so it’s working well!” is just.. wow.

          • Arfy

            Yep, I had a laugh at the number one item to be changed:
            “allow infringement notices to be
            issued to bike riders committing
            mobile phone use offences”

            Because we all know that mobile phone offences are the major cause of bike-related accidents? Seems more like a witch-hunt to me.

            • Dave

              In this area of leaving phone calls until later on, I have no problem with being held to the same standard when both cycling and driving.

              Just because it’s not the major cause doesn’t mean you can’t work on two things at once. This would be an easy fix, just delete the word ‘motor’ from the relevant regulation.

              • Arfy

                Actually I agree with your sentiment, I just don’t see it appropriate that it’s the number one major issue. But perhaps VicRoads put it first as it was the easiest to implement.

            • jules

              I don’t have a problem with police infringing cyclists for using their phone on the road. however I can’t see how it is justified on a shared path.

              • Dave

                Cyclists should be held to high standards on shared paths, as part of their responsibility to protect the softer users of the space. You know, the same responsibility that we demand motorists be held accountable to for our benefit.

                • jules

                  which we don’t get.

                  but even if we were to be held to a higher standard, it should be a standard that actually protects pedestrians. the cognitive demand on shared paths is much lower than on roads – phone use poses a much lower risk.

    • Choco

      He indicated when the cyclist was right next to him, zero time for the cyclist to react.

      • Sean parker

        The taxi driver obviously did not head check when he suddenly decided to turn left – that’s a pretty honest mistake as most drivers don’t instinctively think that a cyclist will be on their inside.

        A failure of driver training? A failure of cyclist defensiveness? A bit of both i suppose.

        It tells me as a cyclist not to undertake a vehicle on a turn, just in case….

    • Nitro

      Grey area / we could argue for ages as to who was at fault on this one.

      Taxi indicated, but definitely late. Personally i’d always be very cautious of overtaking taxis on the inside when going past a junction – just in case.

      More interesting part for me was the (positive) attitude of both parties on this one. A hand shake, a wave, a “no worries”, a “take care”….
      Once they established that nobody was hurt, cool heads and a mature attitude – good to see…

    • Dave

      No bike lane on the inside there.

      The Highway Code (road rules in Britain) contains this point under the rule about overtaking:
      – only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so.

      It would appear their rules have a specific case of when undertaking is allowed, and not the general permission to undertake given to cyclists as in Australia. Something we should consider adopting perhaps?

      • jules

        umm.. without undertaking, we’d all be stuck waiting in traffic behind cars. no thanks

        • Dave

          An excellent case for building best practice infrastructure so cyclists don’t need to play with the traffic.

          • jules

            I support cycling infrastructure but it’s a pipe dream to think of it as a wholistic solution. there’s just no way it can solve all our problems. we will continue to need to play with traffic, regardless of whether the building of cycling infrastructure accelerates or not.

      • RayG

        We don’t have general permission, we have a specific situation were we can’t undertake – when the vehicle is signalling a left hand turn and is in the process of turning (IIRC)

        • Dave

          Yes, so general permission with one exception.

          The rule must be read as including a car approaching a turn with their indicator on as well as when they are actually turning, the ARR states that the present tense must be assumed to include the future tense unless the rule states otherwise.

    • ed

      seeing that video makes me think cyclists should be encouraged to do a “stay upright” course – so many cyclists think because they have been riding a bike since they were 5 years old they know everything – ever tried passing on a suggestion to a someone in a bunch thats either surging, half wheeling, down in the TT bars or wears compression calf socks? that guy put himself at high risk undertaking a car – he was lucky it wasnt a truck.

  • Dave

    So, Katusha has realised they aren’t a sexy team? A bit late to be thinking about that with the transfer season nearly four months old.

  • Gavin Adkins

    Maybe Goss needs to get down to a club race in the off-season, get a result and start to build some confidence back up. Looks like Steele von Hoff was doing just that last night at Sandown.

  • Dexter

    Good thing buddy had his EVADE helmet on when he got kissed by the ole’ taxi. Stay classy my friends.

  • Dave

    “Goss – I don’t want to be just a number in the peloton”

    No change needed then, he’s already been a number off the back of the peloton or riding in the broom wagon the last few years.

    • Ted

      I saw fitter looking 40 year olds on beach rd this morning…

      • Dave

        He’d better get his act together.

        Matt Prior may well be retired, but I bet he could still cause some serious damage with a cricket bat.

        • Michele

          You obviously didn’t see his last test match against the Sri Lankans.

          The only damage he was doing with his bat was cleaning up fresh air. :)

          • Dave

            Goss could also avoid any damage by changing his first name to Mitchell.

            • Michele

              LOL

  • Bex

    Has anyone got an info on the Gran Fondo Championship whatever that CA is putting on before the u23’s at the national championships? They’ve got a few sites with just a paragraph saying ride the road course before the pro’s on Saturday. It seems like an after thought by the work experience kid (no i’m sure they’d do a better job), there is no information (distance, cost, time of day).

    • andytuna
      • Bex

        Thanks Andy, but that’s the page i’m talking about. I bet you can’t find a start time, a total distance, or a cost without actually going through the registration process. How about a map of the course the Fondo is based on. It’s hard to believe this is actually an event that they want/expect people to sign up for.

        • andytuna

          There are some non-obvious links in the yellow bar towards the top, including on price and number of laps (7 x 10km) here:
          http://cycling.org.au/Events/Gran-Fondo-Championships/Categories-Pricing

          • Bex

            i sit corrected. nice find, thanks. seems awfully expensive to ride a bike on a open road circuit.

            • Dave

              It’s not even a full road closure for the climb up the hill, just one lane marked off with a few cones!

            • Arfy

              But if you win you get to be the Australian National Grand Fondo champion! I wonder if the winner gets a National jersey with “Grand Fondo” written on it? Surely they’ll need to wear that at the 2016 Giro Della Donna!

              • Dave

                Wouldn’t that be roughly equivalent to a jersey with ‘please laugh at me’ written on it?

                • Arfy

                  It’d be the National jersey you can win when you can’t win a National jersey :)

                  • Dave

                    Shouldn’t they make it the last event of the weekend then?

              • Robert

                And if you don’t win you get to go around in circles and drag yourself around 6 or 7 laps of the 10.2 km circuit and pay CA $120 or more for the privilege. I can’t see it working, that is a lot of $ per km. A Gran Fondo should be an interesting route, eg.Giro del Donna or AGF circuit from Lorne. From what I can see it is not even a qualifier for the UCI Worlds, as AGF and the event in Peth next March are. I was desperately hoping that CA had improved with new blood, but this one is similar to other decisions they have taken in the past where it is all about the money and no consultation with the intended participants about if it is a marketable idea.

                • Dave

                  Did they actually enforce the closure to non-paying participants last time around? As in, if you’re not a realistic chance of winning your age group is there any point paying?

                • Bex

                  Thanks Robert, well put. I can’t understand who makes these decisions and how they think they’re representing anyone other than the pro’s. I’m sorry i paid for CA membership now, I feel i’d much rather support bicycle network since they seem much more geared towards the everyman.

                  • jules

                    CA have always been about competitive cycling, that isn’t an oversight on their part.

    • Dave

      Sounds like it’s just a fancier name for the event they had on the Sunday morning last year where you could prop up CA’s ailing balance sheet to the tune of $130 or so, and get to ride a couple of laps of the course in return.

  • Stompin

    Matt Goss is a rider I really want to see take back the reigns of his career. Go get it Gossy!

    • Andy B

      me too.. always optimistic

  • Stompin

    I’m not sure the cyclist had much of an opportunity to get out of the way of the taxi before the driver indicated. Although I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have gone up the inside near an intersection, knowing drivers are not necessarily looking for cyclists over their left shoulder (blind spot) before turning left.

    • Michele

      That’s how I see it.

      My philosophy when riding in traffic. Everyone around you is an absolute idiot. And everyone around you don’t know you are there.

      Personally, when I commute, I probably take 2-3 minutes longer to get to work using such a philosophy. So far, I’ve never hit the road; and if I don’t mind saying so myself, through my initiative, have avoided several close misses.

      • Is it a near miss or a near hit? I’m always surprised when people say near miss. Seems to me it should be near hit.

        • Karl

          I get the same thing with the expression “all but”.

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