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  • Michele

    Great piece Shane, and Matt makes some very valid points.

    The thing that shouldn’t get lost in this – and is rightly mentioned here – Femke is only 19 years old.

    That doesnt excuse her from her actions (assuming her guilt), but rather highlights that others were involved: Perhaps those who could potentially be working with other riders.

    If Femke DID have a motor in her bike for the abovementioned ‘Koppenberg’ incident, than surely there would be those outside of her “immediate circle” who knew what was going on.

    Its all well and good to say throw a life ban at a 19 year old for cheating. But if we’re going to suggest that for Femke, than everyone who knew / aided and abetted / turned a blind eye to this, should also receive a similar punishment, if not more severe.

    • Chris

      I don’t think it’s possible to use a motor in your bike without your mechanic and team knowing, and therefor being accessories at the very least. Throw the book at everyone, and make the precedent that it’s their job to make sure a motor isn’t being used – it’s not an onerous thing to determine at all.
      As for her being 19… So what? As you say, it doesn’t excuse her. I know you used her age as a means of suggesting others are involved, but show me the 30 year old who can install a motor and keep it secret from their team, mechanics, sponsors and management.

      • Michele

        Yeah good point about the age.

        What I was trying to imply is at 19 you’re more likely (but not definitely) going to listen to the advice of those around you, as opposed to a 30 year old.

        Again, doesn’t excuse her. Just makes me wonder how many other juniors may have had someone in their ear encouraging them to cheat. You’d hope not many.

    • Shane Stokes

      Hi Michele, thanks for that. Yep, I very much agree. I hope that came across in the piece – her entourage is mentioned in both Matt’s direct quotes and my own linking in between them. With a brother who has also been done for doping, I hope that her family are also investigated. Somebody other than the rider in question has also been involved and it’s important to find out who it is.

      • Michele

        No problems Shane. Yep, def came across in your piece.

        Matt’s comments on walkie-talkies, being nervous was interesting to read.

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    • nancy

      I think Matt is full of shit. How many teammates/training partner/friends of you Matt tested positive? Could we claim that Matt is doping because his friends were cheaters? Maybe we could extend it to Nikki Harris too. Was she racing for telenet-fidea while several of the men’s had their name in doping inquiry? I hope both get targeted by testers.

      Femke had a breakthrough ride at Koppenberg like several of the other riders in the past. not much to say. She could have help by doping (chemicals or motor) but most pros are also doping anyway and they should HTFU.

      • Michele

        Thanks for your Ms. Van den Driessche.

        You do realise that Femke has essentially been caught “red handed”.

        And, just to confirm – you okay with all forms of doping.

        • nancy

          she has been caught at worlds and the rules said that she can’t bring a bike with a motor at a race, doesn’t matter to me if she raced with it or not. And for Koppenberg, she had a very good race and I will give the benefit of the doubt. And a lot of people had very good performance.

          Why your are not accusing the winner of the women U-23 of cheating? She had not many good results and she was doing lap time faster than the pro women. Why you are not accusing Jeremy Powers too of cheating; he was 6th at cross vegas world cup and can’t managed top 20 in the world cup outside US?

          And for cheating with doping or motor, both should be banned for life but the rules are relaxed. All pro’s in Europe are doping anyway, so Nikki/Matt are no different but had a better network and avoided been caught. and hypocrisy is no good eighter

          • Chris

            “Why your are not accusing the winner of the women U-23 of cheating?”

            Because of the complete lack of evidence. You know, the bike that Femke was caught with? The absolute, unequivocal proof of cheating she was caught with? We’re not accusing her of cheating because there’s no reason to that I’m aware of.

          • Michele

            Do you mind me asking you this:

            If all pros in Europe are doping, why do you follow the sport?

            Why aren’t I accusing Evie Richards or Jeremy Powers of cheating?Simple really; neither of them have been found with a motorised bike in their pit.

            Neither of them have been caught with PEDs in their possession – the equivalent of having a motorised bike in their pit.

            I’d like to think I’m impartial enough to suggest if either Evie or Jeremy were caught out in the scenarios above, then I would – just like Femke – label them as a likely cheater.

            • nancy

              I don’t follow much the pro cycling anymore but these kind of news are also in normal newspapers too. I like to ride and I commute to work by bicycle. Doping wasn’t addressed by UCI and from all the inquiries, it seems you can dope and not being caught easily. If you watch a pro race in person, you can see that most riders are holding cars directly or via bottle or drafting behind cars. This is against the rule but the practice is accepted. It is another form of cheating.
              What kind of sports do you think it is? Cheating is part of the culture. It could be doing with motor, holding car, drugs whatever as long as you don’t catch. They are all bad. see a better post: http://inrng.com/2016/02/motors-vs-doping-thoughts/

          • warnschild

            I think that there are a lot of eyes set on lap times of many riders, so they probably realize very quickly when there’s a sudden and not explainable rise in performance. They are usually tested and looked at more intensely in the future, the very thing that has happened to Van den Driessche. So what’s the problem? If she wasn’t doping, nothing would have happened to her at all.

            An no, definitely NOT everyone is doping anyone! That’s the cheap and easy argument always used of those who don’t support honest sports and don’t have the guts to live it. Should you be a rider yourself, I’d love to hear you not being a weak character people have to feel sorry for, but someone who can be proud of his or her achievement (even if it is not in the top ranks!).

            Finally, it would be nice if you’d express yourself in a bit of a kinder and more polite way, just for respect-to-others’ sake, please! Thank you.

          • Shane Stokes

            Pretty huge of you to accuse Matt and Nikki of cheating – both have been pretty outspoken for years on this subject. Unlike Femke VdD, neither have had disciplinary proceedings opened against them, or are suspected of anything. Not sure what your connection is to Femke VdD (mother/friend/compatriot/fan) but you seem to take this pretty personally.

      • Michele

        Thanks for your Ms. Van den Driessche.

        You do realise that Femke has essentially been caught “red handed”.

        And, just to confirm – you okay with all forms of doping.

      • jules

        this reads like part of a social media PR blitz by Femke’s entourage. CT must be feeling satisfied they were deemed important enough!

        • Michele

          The old “everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn’t I” defense.

          • Chris

            It’s not even that! It’s just completely ignoring the fact that Femke’s bike had a motor in it and accusing the winner of cheating purely based on the fact that rode more quickly than the others.

  • Mark M.

    Anyone else notice that the “motor” bike had 10v Ultegra shifters, while her other bikes were 11v?

    • Jerry

      Fits with the story of it being one of last season’s bikes.
      Does not necessarily mean that she sold it to a friend though; if you were sending a bike off to get a hidden motor installed, wouldn’t you use a ‘surplus’ bike as well?

      • Dave

        That *could* point to there being some substance to it being a lone wolf (or at least a small pack of wolves) effort instead of something that her pro team management knew about.

        The nature of the relationship with the equipment manufacturers would be a part of that.

      • Mark M.

        No, I’d make it look as much like my other bikes as possible.

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  • lucprevost

    Weird stuff also in the man’s race… http://mbe.io/20Gx66o

    • Bex

      bit hard to see anything from a gif. you want to elaborate?

      • Scott Milligan

        Basically some people (not me!) are saying the gif shows Wout van Aert possibly engaging a motor at the World Cup in Hoogerheide. Looks more like his wheel is just spinning in the mud to me. Here’s a clearer version: https://www.facebook.com/cosmo.catalano/videos/10100653425172516

        • lucprevost

          Thank you for finding the reference.

          Coming back to the World, I have seen not any article on what happen to Van der Poel…

          No interview on his sliding back in the race.

          After the “foot in the wheel” incident, he was in front of the new WC.

          Then he had a chance for the podium and he vanished again.

          Did I miss everything?

  • Don Walker

    Ummmm, I may be wrong in my thinking, but exactly *who* is this friend, and why haven’t we heard from this friend about not being able to find this bike, or thinking that this bike was stolen. I think this is a load of BS and a lifetime ban is essential to keep anyone else from these types of shenanigans.

  • Arjan Hulsebos

    The only question I have is how they got it in their heads to take such a bike to the World’s. knowing the the UCI has been looking for just this for years? The only answer I can come up with is that they’ve used it so many times before they thought they could get away with it…

  • Mark Wells

    CCTV footage of Van den Driessche’s father attempting to steal the parrots – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piTsxzcKRqk

  • Mark Wells

    CCTV footage of Van den Driessche’s father stealing the parrots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piTsxzcKRqk

  • Shermer

    Patternicity.

    • A

      Yep, exactly.

  • raphanatic

    I wonder whether this was done for nefarious gambling purposes rather than personal ambition. Do people bet on the outcomes of CX races?

    • charlie

      I would guess yes.

      • raphanatic

        i’ve not read much about the possibility of race fixing in cycling

        • charlie

          I answer yes to do people bet on CX races. Not race fixing. Please keep up.

          • raphanatic

            there’s no need to be rude

        • charlie

          I answer yes to do people bet on CX races. Not race fixing. Please keep up.

        • Loftus

          Errr Vinokourov in LBL a few years back?

    • Superpilot

      I understand she didn’t win the races in question, but yes, you could search for big bets on her place, as well as any novelty sub-bets that may be held? Perhaps there was a sub available on the fastest time up the Koppenberg, for example.

  • ceedee

    I wonder how long before motors start showing up at clubs races. Or is it just easier to sandbag if you want to cheat?

  • SebL

    I think this article is unnecessary. It only serves to feed the rumor mill and satisfies the views of those who would like to see Femke hung, drawn and quartered. Essentially we have the point of view of a rival’s fiance. Talk about impartial judgement! Matt saw ‘weird things’. There is nothing substantial described in the article about those weird things. He found that the people in Femke’s pit were ‘nervous’. Well what, this is the world champs, it’s hardly surprising that the ambiance in the pits is gonna be electric. As for her performance at the Koppenberg, I couldn’t see anything crazy there. Yes she took off, but we have seen Froome, Nibali, Contador, Roland and countless others taking off leaving their opponents for dead too. We’re watching the top women tearing up a climb, if one is strong enough to take off she will.

    What I’d like to see from CT is a little more impartiality, rather than an urge to feed readers something because it’s the hot topic of the day. Like lots of us I’d like to see something happening with this whole saga, but I’m not prepared to read sensationalist stuff either. If we have to wait for some proper news on this, so be it. Come on CT you can do better!

    • jules

      CT and other cycling media have also covered questions over performances by Froome, Nibali, etc. there is no double standard.

      the difference is – as far as we know, Froome is clean. Femke is dirty. sour grapes I reckon.

      • SebL

        I don’t think I said there were double standards. Just that this piece doesn’t bring anything substantial to the table.

        Also, at present we don’t know whether Froome and Femke are clean or dirty.

        • jules

          we have some pretty compelling evidence that Femke is dirty and I found the article informative and interesting. while 2-way radios and suspicious pit crew aren’t a smoking gun against Femke, they are noteworthy.

          • Chris

            Smoking gun – that’s her bike in her pits with a motor in it. There’s no reasonable doubt here. The odds of her story being true are ridiculous. The odds of that chain of events and neither her nor her mechanic not noticing is even higher.

          • Dave

            I don’t think the use of two way radios is remotely noteworthy, not at the Koppenburg event where there were two sets of pit crews at different points on the course.

            In road racing events where teams have two race convoy support cars, they often communicate with each other to work out how they can best support the riders. It’s never been a topic of discussion.

            • Bex

              yeah but this is cross, if a regular cross race guy say’s it’s weird that pit crews would have radio’s why would you start thinking about a completely different discipline and say therefore it’s not weird. maybe it isn’t but that would be because all pit crews are using them, not because another sport uses them.

    • Simon

      …”the ambiance in the pits is gonna be electric”.

      Best comment on this saga yet!

      • jules

        it was more electric in one area of the pits than the others ;)

      • SebL

        Haha! Yep! A bit of fun cannot hurt.

    • A

      110% agree. Well said.

      I came here from Cyclingnews but recently articles like this make going back attractive.

  • jb

    im sorry but Femke and her entourage are guilty here. i just don’t see why her “selling” the bike changes anything. whats to say she didn’t “sell” it, have the motor put in but keep everything else the same and continue using it in races. the fact is the bike just shouldn’t have been at the race, on the course, near the bus or in the pits at a UCI race let alone the world champs. i don’t care who “owns” it.

  • Cameron Harris

    Too soon?

    • Dave

      I heard that she’s been preparing for the Keirin at the upcoming track world championships.

      • jules

        is she riding the motorbike? :)

    • Simon

      Perhaps but of all the motorbikes on the net, you chose this 250cc 1974 KTM. ( A bit of research throws up its provenance, having a tenuous link to a possible distant relation of one J Bruyneel )

      • Cameron Harris

        The fact that it’s Belgian blue is not by accident :-)

  • Ant

    The lifetime ban for a kid who had done something stupid will not stop kids doing stupid things in the future. It’s also ethically questionable in a punishment-fits-the-crime sense. We could debate that one all day.

    But forget co-conspirators, it’s the team that should take the real big hit. The pressure to win comes from the team, and they should be responsible for ensuring their members’ bikes are all free from motors. The team operates in a more rational space than an individual athlete so big penalties should have a greater effect in terms of incentive to cheat.

    Give the rider a year or two maybe, but hit the team with the really serious sanctions.

    • Shane Stokes

      Hi Ant, I tend to agree that others are involved. Time will tell if it’s the team, her family or someone else. I’m 100% agreed that whomever facilitated this should have a very tough sanction, not least because of her age.

      • jules

        when I was 19, I was lucky to be organised enough to get out for a ride on a bike that was in working order. she could be some kind of cheating mastermind with highly advanced mechanical skills and a hardened, cynical attitude towards winning beyond her years.

        or it could be her dad and/or team trying to cash in. I think I know which is more likely. not saying she’s a victim or innocent though.

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