Course 30-18s
  • J

    @ $1,600 they gotta be kidding!

    • Daniel

      Agreed, not aero and not light. These are $400 wheels with Zipp stickers.

      • RayG

        At least you can stop these ones.

      • Bonniewperez3

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    • Sean

      I think they’re great value for money. It’s the cheapest way to get a new set of Zipps on your bike, $1600 is a bargain for the bunch cred that follows.

      • Alex

        Clearly their branding works on you. Your main goal should be to get the best wheelset for your buck, not something with a brand on it.

    • Horatio Burton

      Agreed!
      $1600 is crazy for a alloy ‘training’ wheelset.
      Hate to state the obvious- handbuilts will be cheaper and better- HED rim/WI or Dt Swiss

      • david__g

        I have some WI and Mavic Open Pros for the grimy days. Way cheaper, and (IMO) way better.

  • rog12

    ridiculous price! if u want production, alloy, non-aero – get dura ace c24’s – ~$1000 online, less than 1400g, bombproof……

  • Hamish Moffatt

    I notice that the rating system doesn’t take into account value for money. Don’t you think it should? This wheelset would surely not score very well on that front.

    • This was a point that we discussed on multiple occasions. Ultimately, there is no universal baseline for value, so any score would be based on opinion. Our score for “Appeal” allows for the influence of price and value.

      I’ve always felt that value for money is only revealed over time and our review period is too short to do this any justice.

      • JP

        I think “Boutique pricing” is admission that there are similar products out there at a lower price

      • Melissarmurphy

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      • duckingtiger

        I like this reasoning. Value is so relative it’s difficult to give a score on. Though there are certainly some equipments that punch above their weight.

        • Hamish Moffatt

          True, but also there are products which are so clearly overpriced.

    • This was a point that we discussed on multiple occasions. Ultimately, there is no universal baseline for value, so any score would be based on opinion. Our score for “Appeal” allows for the influence of price and value.

      I’ve always felt that value for money is only revealed over time and our review period is too short to do this any justice.

  • Nathanmon

    For that price, I could get a pair of Handbuilt Hed Belgiums which will be much stronger and lighter. They are kidding.

  • slowK

    There are quite a few other 24-25mm wide, modern profiled alloy clinchers from smaller manufacturers out there that cost significantly less and are lighter too. It’d be great if you could review some of these. I highly rate your reviews – sensible, and with points of reference/comparison to other products. Keep up the good work Matt.

    eg: Flo 30, Boyd Altamont, or any of several that use the Kinlin 31t rim (e.g. Neugentcycling A310CW, Bikepro, Williamscycling, Hunt…)

    It puzzles me why the bigger manufacturers (Shimano, Fulcrum/Campagnolo, Mavic…) don’t make wider rimmed alloy clinchers. For me (non-racer/casual rider), wider rims + wider tires + lower pressures make a big difference for ride quality and grip/confidence.

    • Thanks for the feedback. If you check through the review archives you’ll find heaps of smaller wheel brands reviewed.

      • slowK

        Agreed. I just want more – keep the reviews coming!

  • Ragtag

    “I never suffered with the weight of the 30 Course. I didn’t have any trouble pushing the wheels over sharp pinches and I was always able to establish a steady rhythm for longer climbs. Compared to my regular alloy wheelset (sub-1,400g), the Course 30 wasn’t quite as responsive or nimble, but the difference in performance was relatively minor.”
    However, in the summary you say it is too heavy for road racers? So is it heavy or not? If the performance difference is minor it is too big for racing?

    • Some road racers really fixate on weight going to heroic lengths to shave 50-100g from a wheelset. It’s all marginal gains but in practice, such minor weight savings make no difference to the performance of the wheel (though the psychological benefits may be greater). 200-300g is noticeable but in truth, I doubt a racer will lose a race because of it (unless they perceived it as a major disadvantage).

      This issue is ripe for a good study but it really deserves to be conducted under real-world conditions. We already know that it is difficult to demonstrate the performance advantage of aerodynamic wheels with real-world testing, so I expect that even a major weight difference (say, 500g) would have a no demonstrable impact on the performance of a rider.

      So, the answer canned by summed up this way: these wheels will be too heavy for you if you think they will be too heavy for you.

      • Ragtag

        Matt – I am seriously considering this wheel set for my CAAD10. However, before I do that I wanted to get your opinion on the safety of the 25c tire on the 21mm wide rim. I have never seen a rim this wide (internal) on a road bike, so wanted to confirm on the safety aspect. I remember Mavic saying they have not gone very wide on their Kysrium wheels because of safety concerns. But that could just be marketing speel for not being able to make wide light wheels. Also, the website mentions weight of 1570gms so I take that the actual real life weight is what you mention – 1650gms. The second option is Fulrum Racing Quattro Carbon – yes after your review. But you seem to be more impressed with the Zipps than the Racing carbon. Am I reading you right? Thanks for your time.

      • takethattakethat

        im pretty sure almost a pound of wheel mass makes a difference

  • Arjen

    I had a pair of the previous Zipp 30s. They were wheels I used in all kinds of weather – sun and rain. They rode ok, although they were a bit on the heavy side. The hub was spend after 7000km, which I had replaced without complaining. After just 2000km more (making a grand total of 9000km) the rims were completely gone. Had the wheels sent back to SRAM, and was told I had used the wrong brake pads (had used both SRAM and Shimano).

    So the Zipp-alu-wheels lasted one season, combined with some of the most common brake pads available. Been riding Mavic, Flo and HED after that. They all seem to outlast the Zipp wheels by many many miles.

    I’d think more than twice before I’d spend AU$1,599/US$1,000 on wheels like these.

    • Hamish Moffatt

      7000km before the hub died? That’s appalling.

      • singlespeedscott

        Agreed. My old 7 speed ultegra hubs are nearly 30 years old and still going strong. Still getting used weekly on my commuter and on my other bike for riding dirt roads. They get a repack every 12 months or so and still look like new inside. By the way the rims are a set of Mavic MA40’s that I have mounted 32mm tyres on. A wide rim is not required to run low pressure wide tyres.

    • I agree, that’s a poor showing from the wheels but you’ve not provided any detail on your weight, riding terrain and braking habits. I don’t doubt your experience though. It is worth noting that Zipp’s current information for the 30 wheelset does not advise the use of soft compound brake pads (eg. Swissstop BXP), nor do they go to the trouble of supplying pads with the wheels.

      • Arjen

        68 kg, North of the Netherlands, flat as a pancake. hardly any need to brake here, but the roads are smooth and perfectly clean most of the time. But I did ride them in rainy weather – it are alu-rims after all.

        It was a very poor perfomance by the Zipp Wheels.

  • Skeptic9

    There’s one big change in these relative to the previous Zipp 101’s: They don’t radially lace the rear wheel on the drive side. I had a set of 101’s that, after 5 years of riding, suffered an explosive hub failure in which one of the spokes tore out of the hub, unbalanced the tire instantly, caused the tire to rub against the brake, punctured the sidewall and deflated the tire in seconds. Luckily I heard the “ping” sound of the spoke ripping loose and started slowing immediately. Despite the fact that I had been at 35 mph on a descent, I was able to keep control and stop.

    A little googling revealed this is not a rare occurrence, and to their credit, Zipp sent me a new set of 30 course wheels to replace the 101’s, despite the fact that the wheels were way past the 2 year warranty (I suspect the replacements are much cheaper than lawsuits). So, impressions of the 30 course:

    They’re a robust daily use wheel. Aero? Somewhat, in the sense that I find them the equal of the 101’s and the bike (Cervelo R5) is -really- fast on descents, in fact so fast that I am a bit scared of it.

    Most importantly, the rear wheel is not radially laced as the 101’s were! Radial lacing on the drive side of the rear wheel is an invitation to a hub failure, because it puts an enormous shear stress on the hub. I knew nothing of this until the 101’s failed, and then I did a lot of research. The sole reason to radially lace a wheel is that you can use shorter spokes. Not fewer, just shorter, so you save a very few grams in weight, and my experience shows that it isn’t worth it.

    I don’t know if I recommend these wheels or not, mainly because of the price, as many others have noted. Other than that, a fine wheel for daily use and not radially laced in the back!

  • Steve S

    Photos are great!

  • Keir

    That’s a frighteningly expensive set of stickers. Not handbuilt and nothing special in the hub department. As has already been stated in other comments here, for $1600 you can get a lot more. You could have a quality alloy rim handbuilt with Chris King R45s or WI T11s for the same money and those hubs can be reused time and time again as has been proven.

  • Rivak Hoffman

    The price listed is BS. I just had a set customized for $1,144.00 on Wheelbuilder.com
    My custom includes; The 30 Course with Titanium skewers.
    1. DT Swiss Aeroblades
    2.Black alloy nipples
    3. Chris King R45 Hubs with steel bearings.
    4. Expedited 48 hour build. Total weight 1415 grams for front and rear wheel

    If you want to see the invoice i will be happy to provide.

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