Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco 2016 - stage 4
  • Derek Maher

    Blood counts can be a mine field and can vary a heck of a lot. Average Female HG can vary from 11.5 to 13.5, Male HG values vary even more 13.5 to 18.0. Diet and fitness make a difference. Genetics may also contribute. Athletes on the low end of the scale are at a huge disadvantage when it comes to performance. Iron infusions may help these athletes push up their HG values and athletes who are on below or borderline HG values may well be suffering from anaemia and need supplements or in bad cases were HG values drop to 9.0 or lower blood transfusions and regular monitoring.

    • Neuron1

      Derek, A direct quote from the USADA webpage regarding iron: * The intravenous infusion or injection of more than 50 mL/ 6 hours of any substance is a prohibited method unless it is received during a hospital admission, a surgical procedure, or a clinical investigation, even if the substance itself is not prohibited. Oral iron/iron salts are approved.

      • Derek Maher

        Thanks Neuron, I had a feeling there would be a catch with iron infusions. For the past 3 years I have suffered from chronic anaemia. Finally the specialists diagnosed that my system does not absorb iron properly from a normal diet so every 8 weeks I have to go into hospital for an iron infusion and even a blood transfusion if its really bad hence my interest in blood counts these days.
        PS: I suppose a racing cyclist who has a consistent low HG could be allowed specialist treatment and not break the rules ?.

        • Neuron1

          I’m sorry to hear that. Sounds like pernicious anemia. Hope all is well.

          • Derek Maher

            Thanks Neuron. Its been a pain in the butt and knocked my cycling back big time. With luck the new specialist will help me overcome the problem. Cheers, Derek.

        • campirecord

          No they are sick, thus removed. No one can be cycling with low iron.

  • Michael Sproul

    Prepare yourselves for a good deal of anti-sky froth!

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    • ummm…

      and im sure you believe non of it to be warranted

      • Michael Sproul

        I wait for the convictions and don’t let it ruin the racing, carry on with your butthurt though.

        • ummm…

          lol im not butt hurt. yeah wait for those convictions. while your at it wait for the convictions on the LIBOR scandals or the Lehman Brothers collapse.

  • jakub

    I am really curious how a scientific study of sample size n=1 can shed insights into “better understand the effects of prolonged periods at altitude after returning from sea level, specifically on altitude natives”. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why it takes so long to publish the paper. If there is any paper at all.

    • Tom Wells

      It just takes ages to publish papers to be honest. My other half ‘finished’ a paper almost 2 years ago and it’s still not been formally published. It’s still pending.

      • Neuron1

        BS! I have a 17 page CV in the medical world, and an article, even after revision, rarely takes a year to reach publication. Sir Dave tell us the journals to which it has been submitted, dates, rejections, subsequent resubmission and revisions. There are some of us out here smart enough to figure out what the data means.

        • Tom Wells

          I call BS on you, it depends a lot on the field of study and the publishing body as to how long something takes to be published. At the University I work at, there are plenty of ‘pending’ publications that are well over a year old. There are some (but very few) dating all the way back to 2013. It could be different here (UK) than abroad but I’d imagine it’s somewhat similar.

          And for the record my other half has been waiting on that paper for about 8 months without a response. She finished it before corrections 2 years ago. The publishing body she’s submitted to is the best in her field but evidently slow to publish.

          • Neuron1

            I’ll direct you to an article on cycling news. “On the matter of the delay involving the report, Parisotto, who has had material on blood doping published, said: “I would be concerned that it took two years to publish. It’s unusual but I’m basing my comments on the 2005 paper that was specifically about Lance Armstrong’s physiology. It’s feasible that it could have been published by now if that was their intent. Two years is a concern. Maybe there wasn’t sufficient data to build a paper. There are a few unknowns.” ”

            I will repeat. After nearly thirty years in university practice, I can say, it is very unusual to have a publication take two years to go to press from the time of submission, in the biomedical literature. Even with review, revision and resubmission, due to the nature of electronic communication, the speed of publication has decreased. papers in reputable journals list date of original submission. From what we can tell regarding Henao, if it were accepted they would be crowing about it and list the journal name. I’m not attacking Sky, just skeptical of their claims.

        • campirecord

          You have 17 page CV and one paper ??? Lol.

          • Neuron1

            Pretty funny, however not even remotely true. BTW, you should upgrade to Campy Super record,I have, it’s great stuff.

    • campirecord

      Touché. There is no way a journal would even bother with this data.

  • roddders

    Nothing to see here! I see Dave B has his pseudo-scientist hat on again. Hilarious!!!

  • Andy B

    It would be hard to find the motivation to put yourself through hell in training knowing that you may not be able to race due to a pending investigation
    I can’t help but feel unless there is certainty you have to give someone the benefit of the doubt?

    Having said that I imagine there would be some discretion and that the fluctuations are substantial to warrant this?

  • bigdo

    If cycling fans are still naive enough to believe that one of the most money-backed teams in the entire sport doesn’t have riders that are doping, well…okay…

    • Patrick Murphy

      Flippant remark, care to back that up?

      • ummm…

        LOL and I suppose you believe LA to be innocent as he was never caught on a test…..Life experience and observing prior events counts.

        • Patrick Murphy

          Not at all, I just don’t think you have any idea about what may or may not be happening and constant speculation and mud slinging does nothing to move the sport on.

      • H.E. Pennypacker

        I hate to be the voice of reason here, but to be fair, nobody can ever back anything up about any unproven suspicion until someone is actually caught. That’s kind of the nature of the beast. I’m not saying I agree that Sky’s doping, I have no idea, but bigdo is clearly suspicious and I think history gives him more than enough of a reasonable basis to be so.

      • campirecord

        Please don’t have this position. You will end up hating cycling. No one needs to back anything up except basically the reality of a pro cyclist for the last 50 years… You can’t really take the higher ground on this. Good luck.

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