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  • jules

    Nizzolo blatantly changed his line there and put Modolo into the barriers, surely?

    • Michele

      Yep, not sure that’s a curse.

      • Yep agreed, disqualification was the right call there. That result wasn’t a curse, sure, but just meant generally. Finishing second nine times? Ridiculous.

        • Tom Moloney

          No way was Modolo going to win, hook or no hook.
          Nizzolo’s hook was a shortened version of that given by Greipel to Ewan in earlier stage only closer to the line & should have received same, i.e. no penalty.
          Check path taken by Arndt in sprint who gives almost identical hook as Nizzolo to rider who starts sprint in 3rd position.

  • Michele

    The Tour de France can never, and will never live up to the Giro.

    Not in the 21st century.

    The TdF is a massive event. The Giro (and Vuelta) is about the racing. Sure the big names might not be there, but the racing is less orchestrated, more spontaneous, less predictable, and just so much better to watch.

    • claude cat

      Absolutely this. The Giro and Vuelta are vastly more entertaining than the TdF in terms of racing.
      The TdF is almost scripted, because so much is on the line.

      • Michele

        I always use this analogy:

        The TdF is like a U2 Concert. It’s entertaining. However, its the exact same set list gig after gig. Right down to the visual displays and Bono’s speeches about World Peace.

        The Giro is more like a band which has more integrity, throws up a surprise or 3 in every set list, and because it’s not choreographed to the nth degree, feels looser, and is a lot more fun.

        Not dissing U2 – whatever floats your boat.

        But I prefer the Giro.

        • Dave

          You can’t go past a good gig in a pub, even if you’re guaranteed to get a couple of feedback squeals and a good helping of off notes.

          • Michele

            Okay … so I’m calling the TdF U2.
            The Giro can be Radiohead.
            So what’s the musical equivalent of the TDU?

            • Dave

              One of those Eurovision entries which is quite a decent song but doesn’t score well because the lead singer is not a pretty girl with a costume showing lots of flesh?

              • Kieran Degan

                Or a pretty girl with a beard showing lots of flesh

          • Daniel Schmitz

            They have power meters and radios at the Giro so the logic is flawed.

            The riders and fans complain the Tour is too predictable so the TdF organizers add cobble stages and riders and fans get upset that the race isn’t being decided in the mountains. People don’t really know what they want.

            The main problem is simply the tactic of waiting until the last climb of every stage to attack. Thats fine if you’re Contador or Froome who can expect to drop everyone else, but if you’re a second tier climber all it ensures is that you will get a good but not great finish. A rider like Tejay Van Gardren, for example, isn’t going to beat Froome or Contador at their own game so why doesn’t he change his tactic? My guess is the team and sponsors would rather have a conservative 7th place finish than have him go on a long flier and risk his 7th place finish in a bid to podium.

  • Arfy

    Add Brambilla. Selflessness will always be more impressive than selfishness.

  • Robert Barr

    What is OGE’s path forward with Chavez and as a team?
    They put up a serious GC contender, had a good chance of winning GC, and then blew it by not having any backup in the final stages in the mountains. If they are a team moving from a sprint/stage focus to a GC focus then they need to be bringing in more climbers to support their GC contenders.
    Saying Chavez blew up and lost the GC is a bit unfair. In the final stage Nibali bridged to a team mate who was waiting for him from the breakaway, firepower that, really, only Movistar and Astana seemed to be packing for their GC contenders.
    Still, an amazing race, and at least Astana completed the job in the final stage this year, rather than letting the Maglia Rosa off the hook like last year.

    • Orica-GreenEdge did bring in more climbers to support their GC contenders this year: Amets Txurruka and Ruben Plaza. Both were quiet in the first two weeks of the race, but Plaza was good in the last week. Damien Howson was excellent too.

    • jules

      I was listening to Robbie McEwen I think saying that team mates are overrated in the mountains, you need to turn the pedals yourself. OGE controlled the peloton on flat sections from what I saw.

      • claude cat

        To be fair to Robbie, he never advanced past the “grupetto” on any real climb worthy of note, so we need to take that with a grain of salt ;)

    • claude cat

      They picked up Haig and Power who are both terrific climbers. Assuming Power gets over his illness I expect both to be strong contributors in a year or two.
      I don’t really think they need too many more climbers on their roster (although I’d love Canty to be added to the mix ;) )

    • Kieran Degan

      I read somewhere yesterday that the Yates boys will ride for him in the Tour next year.

      • claude cat

        Are they still going to be at OGE next year? Their contracts are up this year IIRC.

  • Ryder

    Did anybody get a sense of Betancur’s performance? Haven’t heard him mentioned and didn’t watch enough stages to see how well he worked for Valverde.

    • Was actually just thinking about him. He appears to have DNFed on stage 19. He did a little bit in the first couple weeks but was pretty well invisible in the high mountains if memory serves.

    • Michele

      Stage 18 he pulled over into an Autogrill. Hasn’t been seen since.

      • choppy

        Not quite correct Michele. It wasn’t an Autogrill, it was a krispy kreme outlet

    • JBS

      Hang on, Betancur was in this race? You learn something everyday!

  • JBS

    Great race. Possibly not the strongest field, but I still count at least 3 grand tour winners in the peleton, so nothing to sneeze at.

    In the end, two up and comers put it all on the line, and came up just short to a seasoned pro who just timed his efforts better. That’s racing and it was exciting to watch.

  • Samuel Lloyd

    Pretty surprised that articles are being written about this race without the sudden, unexpected improvement of an Astana rider (perhaps two, including Scarponi) even being noted. I guess outlets that make their money out of cycling have to look after their sport. This result is pretty hard to swallow.
    Many will say “Get over it, just because of the doping history there has to be a doubt about every GT winner” but that is not my point at all. The last time I remember a struggling GT contender reviving suddenly like this was a blood-doped Vinokourov at the 2007 TdF. He wasn’t even really dropping the GT bigs there because he was so far down that they wouldn’t have bothered chasing him. Here, Nibali suddenly drops everyone after previously being dropped by everyone. The previous comparable GT revival is Floyd Landis in the 2006 TdF. Happy to hear from others about comparable performances since then that haven’t been performed by known dopers.
    I have read comments elsewhere to the effect that Nibali’s performance wasn’t that exceptional, only putting 2:45 into Chaves over the two days etc. Except that he didn’t come from Chaves’ level, he came from his own level, behind Chaves; repeatedly dropped by everyone he then dropped the last two days. So he improved a lot more than 2:45 over Chaves.
    The biggest point though is that if Nibali does this on Team Cannondale it is much easier to take. But Vinokourov is an unrepentant multiple-format cheat (doping, bribes), running the team with the most doping positives over the last few years. Nibs chooses to ride for Vino’s team, he’ll have to take the scrutiny. He does himself no favours by getting kicked off the last GT he contested for hanging onto a car for too long.
    I hope Nibali is clean, but this needs to be discussed properly in genuine media reporting or we are heading backwards with regards to doping.

    • Dave

      It’s because anyone who has a serious look at it will realise the conspiracy theories are a load of crap.

      Nibali won. Get over it.

      • Samuel Lloyd

        “Get over it”. Strong argument Dave, are you a lawyer?

    • Michele

      Can I suggest you go and read yesterday’s piece that CT did about Stage 20.

      A lot of discussion about Astana / Nibali in the comments section.

      What Nibali did in stages 19 and 20 wasn’t that “incredible”. Check it out.

      Nibali rode these 2 stages 2.5 minutes quicker than Chaves, Valverde and Uran. He rode these final 2 mountain stages 2.5 minutes slower than Mikel Nieve.

      Landis was on another planet that day.

      I’ll be honest – I couldn’t be bothered reading your entire post. I read the opening bit, and the last few sentences. Too much hysteria for me.

      • Samuel Lloyd

        Hi Michele, I’m glad you can enjoy it cos I can’t. Although, I paid your other posts the respect of reading them and you appear to have spent a lot more time researching ways to justify this result than I have spent researching ways to doubt it. I addressed Nibali’s 2:30 gain over everyone else in my original post, so perhaps go back and “check it out”. It’s not just 2:30, it’s 2:30 over riders whose level he was behind a few days before. Nieve doesn’t count, he was an hour down the day before and so is riding a different race. If Kruijswijk didn’t crash…that line of argument doesn’t hold, because he did crash. Vino probably caused the crash somehow…oh no wait, I’ve really gone crackpot now.
        None of this addresses the sudden “resurrection” by a convicted cheat on an unrepentant cheat’s team. Go ahead and enjoy that if you like, I can’t unfortunately.

        • Dave

          If any rider needs to be targeted for extraordinary investigation, it is Chaves.

          Down with bronchitis, taking antibiotics and he still only lost 2:30 to a proven three week champion like Nibali – incredible!

          • Samuel Lloyd

            I was enjoying it Dave, until the literally extraordinary performance by an Astana rider. And if you think Chaves’ performance is dodgy post something thoughtful about it, instead of just firing that back like an insulted child.
            And you seem there to have told me to get off the site if I’m going to talk about doping, that reminds me of Armstrong to Simeoni and Bassons. I’ll keep browsing CT at my leisure, thanks.

            • Michele

              Sorry Samuel .. you still haven’t convinced me that Nibali’s was “literally [an] extraordinary performance”.

            • Saeba R.

              “And you seem there to have told me to get off the site if I’m going to talk about doping, that reminds me of Armstrong to Simeoni and Bassons. ”

              Wowies! What a delusional line. It is a completely different scenario!!!

              You think you are some ray of truth? They were whistleblowers with knowledge, evidence, facts etc about doping.

              You are more of a lynch mob leader.

              • Samuel Lloyd

                You’re right there, that was long bow. I guess I was a bit shat about Dave’s tone.

            • Neuron1

              See my above post regarding extraordinary performance.

        • Michele

          Again .. there is nothing remarkable about Nibali’s performance.

          Have you got the SBS or Cycling News Tracker. It’s a great app for showing you where a rider sits on GC at the end of each stage; very easy to follow a rider’s performance over the 3 weeks.

          Everyone says Nibali’s “level” was a long way behind Chaves’.
          But in the mountain ITT – where Nibali had a mechanical and bike change – he lost 50 seconds or half his deficit to Chaves there and then.
          Of course, you can’t quantify it; but how much time did Nibali lose because of that?
          Nibali’s other time loses to Chaves and Co. were more to do with his impulsiveness to stamp his authority on this race. Maybe he overestimated his abilities. Maybe his underestimated his rivals.
          But the attacks he put in on the last 2 stages, against a sick Chaves, weren’t not long sustained affairs. Nibali actually lost time to his rivals on the final climb on the last mountain stage and was really struggling.
          I’m not a fan of Nibali.
          But I will stress this; I can enjoy this Giro. You know why? Because if Nibali did use PEDs – like Vino, like Floyd in their much, much more remarkable performances – he like Vino and Landis will get caught out.

          • Samuel Lloyd

            Ha ha ha ha ha, PED users get caught!!!!! That’s gold.

            • Michele

              The one’s that you referred to in your earlier post – and that you compared Nibali did.

              Serious request ….

              Please show me how Nibali’s performance was extraordinary. No offense. No offense, I don’t think you can.

              • Samuel Lloyd

                I can’t show you with stats why it was extraordinary, but you can’t show me why not either. I think Nibali taking that time off those guys, that had it over him previously, is extraordinary. It’s not just Chaves, he rode every other contender off his wheel. It is very hard to recall a recovery like that that isn’t suss. Quintana’s final mountain stage at the TdF last year where he took time off Froome comes to mind, but for some reason I don’t feel like that’s the same…and mainly the reason is Astana. I don’t have faith, you do. I think that cycling media should report differently.

                • Michele

                  Think cycling media should report differently …

                  What do you want them to say? You even suggested in an earlier post that PED users don’t get caught. So to clarify …

                  You want CT to come out and say Nibali is on drugs, without any evidence?

                  And he “rode everyone off their wheel”?

                  Again; the last mountain stage: he gains 90 seconds on one rival who is taking antibiotics, and the same on another who’s riding with a cracked rib.

                  He gains a massive 13 seconds against Valverde.

                  Yeah, that’s extraordinary.

                  • Samuel Lloyd

                    Valverde…a credible competitor. Usually I love people beating Valverde, but even the enjoyment of that is taken from me this time!
                    But yes, I have been thinking about how they would report on it, since rashly telling them to do so, and it is hard. Maybe an opinion piece, not about how Nibali is doping, but about how the factors (his struggles and recovery, comparable performances in past GTs, Astana’s DS and multiple positives) make his last two mountain stage rides a bad look. Is/has cycling doing/done enough to shake this stuff? Etc. What more could be done? There is a lot of talk about this all over every site and forum and on social media, and plenty of people think it looks bad.
                    If Nibali is on level pegging, looks as strong as the others just a couple of times during the race, and then pulls away over the last two days, no worries. If Nibali does what he did on almost any other team, no worries. The factors add up to a bad look. In my opinion.

                  • Saeba R.

                    The criticism is no doubt routed in him being an Italian from an ex-Soviet nation team. It’s a double whammy of negative stereotypes. Some people can’t see past stereotypes though…

                  • Samuel Lloyd

                    Actually there are some cycling media covering this issue. Here is Inrng doing exactly what I propose: http://inrng.com/2016/05/the-moment-the-giro-was-won/

                    • Michele

                      Well, I have read that piece, a lot of what mentioned in it about Nibali has already been covered in the comments section here. For example his initial attacks were ill-timed etc.

                      Inrng doesn’t speak of Nibali as being “incredible”. Far from it.

                      Also like this excerpt:

                      The performance estimates so far show some fast climbing times for the race as whole but Nibali’s efforts don’t stand out among these. After all he was repeatedly losing time to his rivals on some climbs which isn’t what you expect a doping programme to do; unless perhaps you think his rivals were doing more. When Nibali took back time to Risoul he was apparently two minutes slower than his PB up this climb set in the 2014 Tour de France under different conditions (in a group, it was warmer, earlier in the race). If you like to check these things it’s worth waiting a few days until French website chronoswatts to put out its estimates and see if any “radars” are flashing but until then there’s not much to go on.

            • Saeba R.

              Well because it is not a full proof system I guess it falls to you to be the last line of defense against fraud?

              Have you ever considered that you may be wrong and are defaming an innocent person?

              • Samuel Lloyd

                I know I could be wrong and I hope I am. I don’t understand the other things you have written.

                • Saeba R.

                  My point is not that Nibali is innocent. It is that we can’t just call him guilty in public (of course to think it, say to mates etc is fine). We have no right to defame him. To do so would be against western ideas of fairness and justice.

                  There could be exceptions of course, where an extremely peculiar event occurs, but this certainly ain’t one of them.

        • Neuron1

          Since SL has decided that this is all about doping, here’s one for you. Check out Nieves’ times for the climbs on the last two days, 4 minutes faster than Indurain and Delgado on Cima Bonete, and 3 minutes faster on Col de Vars. And those times were from the bad old days. Nibali on the other hand was 2 minutes slower than his best time on Risoul, which BTW was just at 6 w/kg, per the analysis of experts. Also, Nibali’s time up Colle dell’Agnello was 2-3 minutes slower than the times of the past. Nieves’ was at the same time as Nibali on Agnello and just behind him on Risoul. So, who is the questionable rider here? I’m not saying there is something nefarious, just that it is too easy to make accusations without understanding the total picture. And clearly there are many here without the mental capacity to analyze data, just the emotive responses of crybabies.

        • Neuron1

          How is Nibali a convicted cheat?

          • pedr09

            I suspect he is referring to Nibali hanging on to his team car last season.

      • Rob

        Nabali is (probably) a doper riding for a ex-doper, in a team already caught doping. Lets just add the asterisk to this result and save ourselves 5 years.

        • Michele

          Chaves is (probably) a doper riding for an ex-doper [White], in a team already caught doping.

          See what I did there?

          • Samuel Lloyd

            You’re better than that mud-slinging Michele, stick to the thoughtful analysis.

            • Michele

              Change of tactic Samuel; the analysis wasn’t working; so I thought the irrational, ridiculous, libellous argument was more likely to get through to some on here :)

              Logic doesn’t stand a chance with some.

              • Derek Maher

                Got to agree Michele. Every race these days seems to drag out the armchair racers throwing accusations and smears of doping against the real racers. Perhaps they have ambitions of joining certain journalists who made a career of ruining athletes reputations.

          • Dave

            I believe this would make Dupont the new winner of the Giro from 11th on the road.

            • Michele

              Ha ha!

              • Dave

                The only rider in the top ten potentially with a question mark is Jungels. Probably safe to give him an asterisk instead, after he beat all those other doping teams and he’s from Luxembourg where all the other riders of note were also dopers.

            • Samuel Lloyd

              DuPont make crop chemicals, suss as.

          • Neuron1

            And SK is probably a doper, riding for a team that was systematically doping all of it’s riders and purchased a Sysmex machine that the UCI uses in order to make sure it’s dopers didn’t get caught.

        • by7

          Michele did a very rational and objective analysis. Basically Nibali did not even improve, but just kept his previous level (which is understandable being already a 3 times GT winner) while Kruijswijk did put himself out of contention with a crash (do you remember Beloki?… so it is not the first and it will not be the last) and Chavez was simply totally cooked (or sick) in the last 2 stages and he would have lost the wheel from whoever was attacking.
          So Nibali was really lucky, but also smart to take profit from it. His strength as a rider (same as AC) is that he is daring and can attack on every terrain: take for example the Giro 2015, AC was quite cooked in the last few stages, but Aru was just limiting himself to very scripted attacks 4-5km from the finish line and AC could limit his losses.

          And please… avoid bias in judging the “doping risks” of riders: because we could put on the table that Jumbo-Lotto is the old Rabobank, that OGE has had their share of doping cases, that Valverde avoided going into Italy for years, that BMC is the old Phonak and that probably 99% of DS in the team cars have probably some skeleton in the closet and so on…

          • awesometown

            Guys it’s just bike racing. Watch it, enjoy it, move on with life. Leave the larger questions about the ethics of the sport to a bunch of corrupt wankers in the UCI headquarters.

    • John Perry

      I must say that Vino’s statement that Nibali should reconsider changing teams after visiting the Astana clinic seemed like a thinly veiled threat.

    • Patrick Murphy

      I think what you are failing to recognise here is that Chaves and Kruisjiwk are not Contador and Froome. If Nibali came back against the top level GC guys then I’d get a bit more behind your comments but the fact is they are 2nd tier GC riders.

      • Saeba R.

        Exactly. And people forget that Nibali is himself first tier with GT results equal to Contador or Froome since coming of age.

  • Rob

    Talking Point Number 8: Jungels hair…. #mancrushmonday

    • Dave

      Pretty good considering he is only the lead out man for his team in the ‘best hair’ classification. Unfortunately for his hopes of winning it, Etixx brought in a former Alpecin rider over the last winter.

  • Stanley

    For me, it was the most exciting GT since Cadel won The Tour.

  • Neuron1

    I am waiting anxiously for the next TSP post. It will read something like this: 1) Damn motorcycles, somebody has got to do something (but the riders don’t have the cahones to strike, try doing it at the TDF, the whole world will be watching. But instead we will piss and moan and cancel an Italian race) 2) Astana stinks, they tried to bully the race but the well built and handsome Dutch and Germans with the help of their Aussie allies fought back valiantly. 3) Nibali got his GI bug from doping but Landa just ate some bad tapas after properly cleansing his hands with Sky approved sanitizer. (Last year he was doper with Astana but now he is faster and stronger due to clean living in the Sky camp) 4) Nibali’s comeback was extraterrestrial even though he rode the climbs slower than Nieve. (It must be the post ride smoothies) 5) Chaves is an honorary Aussie and is truly heroic, he speaks Spanish with an Aussie accent and Aussie with a Spanish accent. He persevered despite the bronchitis, due to the Anglo-Saxon rubbing off on him, and he smiles a lot. His power didn’t drop off from the pulmonary infection since he is a high altitude native and a genetically superior Colombian climber. What a mate. His eventual loss was due to the cheating cheaters at the filthy cheating Astana team, despite the UCI and ISSUL scrutiny. This is meant to be parody, and is thus protected speech. Based in truth but taken to a minor, very minor in this case, extreme.

    • Dave

      Wouldn’t Hendo include some specific praise for Sam Bewley?

      • Neuron1

        Oops, forgot him. Since TSP is trying to stay anonymous he would generalize it slightly. Instead he would just point out the magnificent assistance of Chaves’ mates from down under and the great leadership of the completely untainted OGE DS and staff. Really, it just was a misunderstanding that doping stuff in Whitey’s past. The rigors of living in a place where everything from the snakes, spiders, jellyfish, cone snails and wild dogs can kill you toughens the spirit of the riders to be totally immune to physical and psychological pain. The only thing that can hurt them is Lo Squallo de la Stretto.

        • Dave

          They already have a plan for dealing with that one weakness come next year – Mick Fanning to do the only code swap that Jarryd Hayne hasn’t thought of yet.

    • H.E. Pennypacker

      So…that means David Walsh is The Secret Pro?

  • Tom Moloney

    I thought attack by OricaGreenEdge & then Chaves on stage 20 on highest climb was defining moment of last week of Giro. It put Kruiswyke into difficulty, which eventually contributed to his downfall, & brought all the remaining major contenders to their max. I think Chaves maintained his attack & its intensity a little longer than was in his best interest. He then took the front for longer than was again in his best interest on the last climb allowing Nibali to gain advantage of not only time on that stage but a psychological one which he took into the last mountain stage. Bravo Chavito! 8-)

  • BBB

    The comments…what a train wreck!

    Here’s what Lee Rodgers had to say (http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/features/giroditalia-2016-final-lowdown/):

    “However, to comment on this year’s Giro d’Italia and to not place Nibali’s remarkable rides over the past three days, such as the win at Sant’Anna di Vinadio – of which the rider himself said “I do not even believe it” – within the context of the sport in recent years would be to deny the elephant in the room.

    Simply put, there will have been many a cycling fan out there watching Nibali’s phoenix-like transformation over the course of a few hours who, like Nibali, also could not quite believe it. This is not a case of judging someone guilty on the back of out-of-this world rides, and some will remark on Kruijswijk’s capitulation and Chaves’ lack of Grand Tour experience as significant factors in Nibali’s resurgence.

    However, to not acknowledge that many of us do not know who and what to trust these days after seeing extreme performances would be a dereliction of duty. It is not Nibali’s fault that I sat there shaking my head as he went from having a blood test to see if he was too sick to continue to the winner of the race in four days, but the fact is that I did sit there shaking my head, unable to believe what I was seeing.

    Why? Because our sport has been so grossly mismanaged – and by mismanaged I mean royally f**ked – by the powers that be and infested with cheaters from top to bottom for so long that it seems to me that there is no other possible reaction but a kind of bizarrely intrigued numbness to feats that have long been hailed without irony as ‘unbelievable’ and ‘incredible’.

    Have you noticed how the commentators now shy away from these adjectives? It’s because as soon as they utter them they are reminded of Landis, of Armstrong, of Rasmussen and of Riis, of too many others to mention. It’s because our sport, time and time again, ends up spewing out riders whose performances have been chemically fueled. It is because our society places such insane value – and it truly is insane – on winning at all costs, on ‘success’ and celebrity, that we now have professional sports played by athletes that only the deluded can believe are majoratively clean.”

    With this in mind:
    (1) Cycling has been crooked in the past with miraculous performances fuelled by injections and blood bags.

    (2) Astana is run by a guy with little to no ethics.

    (3) Nibali pulled himself off the canvas at the last possible moment – see 1 and 2 above.

    Sounds pretty dismal doesn’t it?

    Against this:

    (1) There’s never been Armstrong like smoke surrounding Nibali. Yes his 2014 TdF performance and his recent efforts resulted in some questions, but this is no different than what Wiggins and Froome have experienced.

    (2) The race was turned on its head in about the space of 5kms on the Agnello. Chaves made two attacks, the first which actually distanced Nibali. There was an easing of the pace and a re-grouping. The second attack distanced Valverde. Nibali then took over the pace making and led down the hill. This resulted in the crash and the rest is history. Maybe a simple case of getting a second wind or additional motivation when Valverde was dropped (meaning Nibali could potentially climb back up onto the podium)? Presumably something taken in the final week of a GT does not result in you being dropped before a miraculous transformation all in the space of a couple of kilometres.

    (3) Nibali’s direct opponents crashed or were ill.

    I think we should always be suspicious given the events of the past, but what happened in the race should be seen in context. What we saw was not an Armstrong like performance.

    • Samuel Lloyd

      Agreed, very good treatment of it (by you BBB, I think the Rodgers quotes end halfway down. Addresses the issue, which I think is definitely germane to the reporting of the race, but goes to some lengths to be optimistic. I just reckon writing about the race without reporting on this is missing something important.

    • Saeba R.

      But did Peznews write the same about Sky?

      Honestly I don’t know and would like to know.

  • Nomad

    To clear up any suspicion, Nabali could release his ABP numbers. Horner did for the Vuelta.

  • Derek Maher

    Last years Giro was a cracker of a race. This years even better. Every stage was worth watching and the excitement and tension of the last weeks GC contest put the Giro number 1 in my book. Now if the TDF can get its act together things would be perfect.

  • pitchersdave

    I’m coming to this post a little belatedly (and also from the northern hemisphere, but judging by some of the comments on this thread, some people are living on a different planet!) At a club meeting last weekend the ONLY talking point about the Giro was Nibali’s performance and none of the comments were about how his final two days in the mountains were a ‘masterclass.’ At its most diplomatic, the general consensus was that one had to be suspicious of his performance.

    Samuel Lloyd is absolutely right to raise the issue of doping and specifically about Astana and Nibali. Reading some of the reactions to his comments reminds me of the tone (and some of the vitriol) hurled at those who questioned the legitimacy of Armstrong. It’s also clear that there are many people out there who honestly think that the spectre of doping has been totally eradicated from cycling. It all harks back to the years of omertà and I’m surprised how blinkered some people are.

    Nibali races for a team that many believe should never have retained its UCI WorldTour licence, the Astana DS is an unapologetic ex-doper, Nibali demonstrated at the Vuelta that he is prepared to cheat to further his GC ambitions and (with apologies to all the Pantani fans out there) Italy has always had a tacit acceptance of doping.

    Nibali is a gifted cyclist in many respects, but his unexpected resurrection at the Giro has raised eyebrows and rightly so. I was rooting for Chavez and OGE to hold on to the pink jersey, but like many, I watched the Astana squad celebrate in Torino with a heavy heart.

  • giovanni de petris

    It was a great Giro, one that reminded me of the old heroics of giros in which the teams could not put a chokehold on the race. Great stuff, turn of events new faces 9Brambilla was incredible,stunning, Scarponi the best climber )


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