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  • dllm

    Finally Stack / Reach figures are included in your geometry table.

    • Bike manufacturers have started providing these numbers with much greater consistency, so they will become an ongoing feature for my truncated geometry tables. It’s a handy way to judge the size of the bike, but it doesn’t take into account variations in the seat tube angle.

      • dllm

        That’s very true. Stack / Reach for a rough idea on type of fitting (upright or stretched-out) to be expected is very handy. Giant hadn’t joined to provide such measurements until two years ago. Italian brands are also catching up in this aspect.

        Effective seat tube angle could be varied by seat post type and saddle, so it’s another consideration.

      • Ragtag

        Yes in my study of road bike geometries recently, I was shocked that the Italians are the most transparent in this aspect. None of the ‘new’ companies provided clear measurements.

  • Masshoff

    I’d love to know if this bike fits a 32mm “modest knobby” such as the Clement Strada USH.

    • Unfortunately, I didn’t have any modest knobbies on hand to try out, so I’m only guessing based on the amount of clearance around the stock tyres. Hopefully there are some owners that have tried this and can share their experience.

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    • Danny Kurka

      I just fitted 35c Continental ‘Cyclocross Speed’ tyres (small knob hard pack tyre); min 5mm clearance on all ‘rub points’.

      • Masshoff

        Fantastic. Best news I’ve read today! Thanks for chiming in.

      • De Mac

        They are a grouse rolling tyre too – quick on pavement and gravel/dirt!

      • FT27

        Which wheelset was this on?

  • Danny Kurka

    I have the Di2 version, my bike came with separate tubeless valves, the lever to release the through axle is interchangeable (just pulls off- with difficulty) I weigh 76kg have the seat post quite high & don’t really notice the post flexing, though my riding partners notice it moving a lot. Otherwise- good review.

    • Masshoff

      Any chance you can comment on the tire clearance? I’d love to know if the bike can fit a 32mm tire. Maybe a measurement between whatever tire you’re using and the frame/fork?

      • Cody Baron

        Can I second this request? Would love to see a 35mm tire mounted showing actual clearance to frame (& fork).

  • Richard

    I have the older rim-braked Endurace (2015 model), and it’s interesting to see how Canyon have re-pitched this newer version. The geometry of the old model was actually very close to that of the Ultimate, but they’ve now gone for a much more upright position, adding almost 10mm to the stack (mostly via the taller fork, it seems). With disc brakes it’s a fair bit heavier too: my 105 build is only 7.5kg including pedals, and the more expensive builds on the older version were under 7kg.

    The old Endurace was basically a race bike that made a few concessions to comfort (skinny seat-stays, flexy post, bigger tyre clearances), but this newer version is much more squarely aimed at the “sportive/endurance” section of the market, competing directly against the likes of the Specialized Roubaix and Trek Domane. From a marketing perspective it’s probably a good idea for Canyon to create more of a distinction between the Endurace and the race-oriented Ultimate, but ironically I think I’d be much less likely to buy this bike than it’s predecessor.

    Should add that my Endurace is a brilliant bike though – after 18 months and 7500km+ I’ve barely got a bad word to say about it.

  • Lower Listening

    id love if these reviews of endurance bikes recognised some people have no other choice than to ride them. I have quite long femurs and have a large setback and ride a 90mm stem as well as 12cm drop to my bars. An extreme position for most but im only 6ft. Personally I’d rather my Orro Gold as its seat stays are 412mm but it has a bit more stack.

    • I’m uncomfortable with the idea that a bike should be classified on the basis of its fit, but that’s the way that the mainstream market is travelling at the moment. Sure, such classification may help buyers identify suitable from unsuitable bikes, but the fit of a bike is quite distinct from its other traits, such as weight, steering, handling and ride quality. I try to ignore the fit of the bike when assessing its other traits, since the former is highly personal, while the latter are more relevant to the majority of readers. Nevertheless, the two aren’t mutually exclusive, so I have to allow for some influence for one over the other.

      Ultimately, I’m judging every bike I review against my own needs and priorities. I can only guess at how well the bike will fulfill the needs of another rider, but in sharing my experience, I hope I provide enough detail that our readers can judge the bike for themselves.

      • Lower Listening

        Hi Matt. thanks for the reply. Yeah I understand you have your objectives for the article. I guess the reason I mentioned this is it is quite hard to find frames that work for me. Esp off the peg bikes as many come also with 20mm set back posts (I need minimum 25mm) so when I see a bike I know works i take a mental note, especially if the geometry isn’t full endurance. The Orro has 412mm seatstays and sits in half sizes at 55cm TT for a 173HT. The endurace kinda sits in that same area albeit with longer seat stays. The only bike that is racier than the orro would be the Bianchi Infinito. Slim pickings for my body type unfortunately :(

        • You can stop playing this game any time, you’re ready for a bespoke frameset. It’s the only kind of bike that will make a profound difference to your riding now.

          • Lower Listening

            Yeah, someday :)

  • aradilon

    Cool photo’s! I have the cheap aluminium version, bought it as winter bike and added some better wheels and mudguards. And i’m really impressed, it rides alot smoother over the cobblestone we have plenty here in Belgium and I rode some gravel roads in the Ardennes and never had the feeling I would puncture the tire (25mm only btw), I was even faster than a couple of my friends on trekkingbikes with alot bigger tyres.

  • Eric

    one thing always puzzle me is that with a bike like this which is design for endurance/gran fondo which large part of the riding will be doing at nights. but with that integrate handle bar its nearly impossible to mount any serious lighting system.

    • Hamish Moffatt

      I would say it’s best ridden in the dark where you won’t have to see that integrated handle bar thing…

  • IGT

    Matt, thanks for the review. I am seriously looking at buying this bike but when I put my measurements into the online sizing system it suggested a small. This meant smaller bars and cranks than I’m used to. I wondered how tall you are and how the medium fitted.

    • Masshoff

      Same here. Their sizing tool puts me a size smaller than any bike I’ve ever ridden.

      • Richard

        I had similar issues with the online sizing system when I bought my (older model) Endurace. With hindsight, I think it’s because the leaf-spring seat-post has quite a large minimum extension (150mm), which seems to throw the online tool off in some cases. It seems that if a short-ish leg measurement puts you anywhere close to the minimum saddle height then the widget automatically recommends a smaller size.

        My bikes are all 56-57cm frames, yet the sizing tool said I needed a small (53). I emailed Canyon for advice and, as I expected, they confirmed that I was better off with the medium frame (56). I ended up swapping in a longer stem to get my desired reach too (120mm instead of 100mm), so the smaller frame would have been ridiculous. But my saddle height is indeed very close to the minimum extension on the seat-post (within 5mm), and I think that’s why it was recommending the smaller size.

    • BTD

      Get your stack and reach figured out and the sizing will come easy. I’m barely 6ft and would need the XL to get the exact reach of my normal riding position with a 110mm stem. Well, that’s taking a leap with assuming the reach on the handlebars is ~75-80mm. Their H31 bar/stem combo is listed as ‘short reach’ but I can’t find any info more exact than that.

    • I’m 178cm tall with long limbs. When I tried Canyon’s sizing system and it also suggested a small, regardless of the model I selected. I fiddled with a few of the numbers to see what would make the system suggest a bigger a size but I couldn’t crack its algorithm.

      A medium Ultimate or Aeroad with stock stem length is a pretty good fit for me. As a taller and shorter bike, a medium Endurace was not so well suited. If I had to make the bike work for me, I’d be using a size small with 130mm stem.

      I know exactly where I need the stem and saddle need to be thanks to a custom bike fitting. Every endurance/gran fondo type bike I’ve been on so far have all been too short and too tall unless I size down and use a very long stem.

    • James Huang

      For reference, I’m 1.73m tall but run a comparatively low saddle height and minimal setback given my shorter legs (just 695mm from center of BB to saddle top, measured along the seat tube, and 4-5cm from BB to saddle nose, depending on the saddle). For the Endurace CF SLX 9.0 I rode, I went with an XS size but swapped to a 110mm-long stem, slammed as far down as possible on the headset cone, which replicated my typical fit pretty well.

      In general, I always advocate sizing bikes by stack and reach. The other measurements can provide additional information, but stack and reach are, by far, the most critical when it comes to figuring out how a bike will actually fit when you sit on it.

      • IGT

        Hi James, I did ring Canyon Aust to see if they would swap out the bars and cranks on the small for a larger size and the answer was no. Seems it’s all pre determined which is one of the limitations I feel.

        • James Huang

          That’s a bummer, but not entirely unexpected. Even on bikes purchased in a brick-and-mortar store, component swaps like that are often left to the discretion of the shop.

          In any event, assuming Canyon pricing relative to brands with physical dealers is similar to what it is in Europe and the UK, you could just buy the sizes you need for the cockpit and crankset, sell the other ones as unused take-offs, and you’d likely still come out way ahead.

          • Richard

            Perhaps, but Canyon’s non-standard steerer diameter doesn’t help – 1 1/4″ stems are hard to come by, and tend to be very expensive.

            • James Huang

              Sorry, I maybe should have been more clear. Canyon sells that cockpit separately in multiple sizes, so you could potentially buy the one you need in addition to the bike, swap them out, and then sell the one you don’t need.

            • I’ve been told that Canyon is working towards the time when it will be able to offer its Aerocockpits for individual sale, but for now they remain tethered to the bikes with sizing to match the frame size. There’s a bit more flexibility for those models that don’t have an Aerocockpit (ie. standard bars and stem), but Canyon still can’t change the stem length before the bike is bought. Ritchey and Giant make stems to suit 1.25″ steerers.

              As for the bars and cranks, you’ll have to wear the extra expense as James suggests.

              • Yellabelly1

                Canyon have told me they will exchange the cockpit for a different size up to 30 days after delivery but not the cranks. To setup the S frame to my bike fit I similarly need to swap the stock 400/90 cockpit for 420/110. I would normally be size M but with the Endurace the saddle height would be right on the minimum.

    • IGT

      Cheer guys for the comments. Most helpful.

  • Mike

    Thanks, Matt! I’ve been waiting for a more detailed review of the Endurace CF SLX. It sounds like you’re a more aggressive rider in general, but do you have thoughts on how it compares to other endurance bikes like the BMC Granfondo/Roadmachine, Specialized Roubaix, Trek Domane etc. (did you let James ride it?). The price seems to be creeping closer to the other ones…

    • I’ve yet to ride the latest versions of the Domane and Roubaix or BMC’s Roadmachine, and you don’t mention what kind of priorities you have for the bike, but you really can’t go wrong with any of them. Perhaps the only thing you need to decide is how useful suspension is to you. As mentioned above, Canyon’s sprung seatpost didn’t work for me, nor did the old Domane’s Isospeed decoupler. While a seatpost is easy to swap, Trek’s decouplers can’t be disabled nor can the new Roubaix’s sprung stem, so if they don’t work for you, you’ll be stuck with them.

      I’ve found that the tyres can provide all the suspension I need, so my bias is for any bike that provides plenty of scope for fitting wide tyres. The Endurace and RoadMachine are attractive for this reason, but there’s a definite upper limit. Not so CX bikes, which can accommodate very big tyres yet can work quite well on the road when fitted with skinny tyres.

      You might be interested to know that I’m waiting on Open’s U.P. for review that can be fitted with road, CX, and road plus setups.

    • James Huang

      I actually had the Endurace CF SLX 9.0 here in the US, and this review reflects both of our experiences (along with explicitly noted differences, where applicable). I have yet to ride the Roubaix, but generally find the feel of the Endurace CF SLX to feel similar to the Domane out back (with the IsoSpeed in the softest setting), but a little more firm up front. Given that the Canyon doesn’t have any mechanical devices up front to absorb the bumps, I find that aspect to be quite admirable.

      To be honest, I’ve never found the BMC GranFondo frameset to be all that comfortable in the slightest, although bear in mind that my preferred 51cm frame size may have some influence there as smaller frames are typically less comfortable than bigger ones. The GranFondo also has disappointingly limited tire clearance, too — and in my opinion, much more limited than what BMC says is ok to run.

      The RoadMachine was pretty fantastic when I rode it at the launch event, and I’m eagerly awaiting my test sample to arrive so I can put some more time on it. If I had to put those three bikes in order (Trek, BMC, and Canyon), I’d say the RoadMachine felt the firmest of the three. There isn’t much built into the design of the frame up front to absorb road impacts, and the rear end essentially relies on seatpost flex. For the type of riding that I do, that one perhaps suit my needs the best.

  • Guillem

    Hi from Spain, Matt, and thanks for the review. I currently own an ultimate cf sl from 2008, and I’m undecided between the new ultimate and endurace, I know they are very different machines, but I really don’t know where my own bike fits compared to these two. Basically I would like my bike with a bit more comfort, and disc brakes (next year ultimate disc?) … thanks!!

    • The Ultimate has come along way since 2008, with compliance being one of the traits that has received a lot of attention. So I’m sure the latest version will be more comfortable than your current bike, but don’t forget to pay attention to the tyres and tyre pressure. The 28mm tyres provided with the Endurace made a big difference to the comfort of the bike.

      • Guillem

        Hi Matt,
        finally I got an endurance 8.0 di2 (size S), and I really like this bike compared to my ultimate 2008. I thought it would feel somewhat more relaxed compared to it, but I think it can be really a fast bike albeit being more confortable (stem in lowest position). I can’t hardly notice the 500gr weight increase, and disc brakes is a no way back in my opinion. And the H31 handlebar is a joy to use, makes me want to grab the bike all the time. Looking for a pair of carbon wheels wider than dtswiss (too narrow for 28 tyres ..) and it’ll be my dream bike for some years to come!

        • Ricky Owen

          Hi Gullem,

          i am wondering what your dimensions are? height and weight…. Did you have any issues with the size recommendations that previous posters have commented on.

          • Guillem

            Hi Ricky, 1.75m and 73kg, no problems with S sizing so far. This S corresponds aproximate to a “54” size or medium in other brands sizing I think. My previous bike was also a canyon, ultimate from 2008, size S, that was a “52”, and was slightly small for me. BTW great bike. The more I ride it, the faster it feels.

  • Chris O’Neil

    Would love to know anyones experiences with the 2XL

  • Drongo_dilla

    I’d be interested to know if/when you guys would be reviewing the Focus Paralane? It’s been hard to find solid reviews and info on it since it was released. It looks pretty great, be good to know how it stacks up against this and the BMC roadmachine.
    I’m in the market factor a disc roadie, tossing up between this new breed of racier endurios or something more traditional like a Supersix evo or Cayo.

    • Cody Baron

      +1 for this request!
      I know this review and subsequent thread is a little dated, but it seems to be one of the few places were some quality dialogue was taking place about this bike. I’m after a bike that can be quick-handling enough to be a road bike for me, but still take tires fat enough to ride something like the DK200 (or close to it).
      The only things I’ve run across that may be in this category are: Canyon Endurance, Focus Paralane, and 3T Exploro. The Exploro hits all the things I’m after, but dang its pricey. The Paralane is close but I wish it could take a slightly bigger tire, and the BB is a tad low too. The Endurance is strong all the way around, I’m just unsure of what’s the fattest rubber I could get in there. I’d love to see some actual photos with a 35mm tire mounted in.
      If anyone can locate other places where some of these details (or reviews) can be found, then please post it up. I’ve scoured dozen of youtube vids and reviews.


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