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  • Allez Rouleur

    Looks and sounds like pure madness. A stripper bus? Whiskey hand ups? Wow, this sounds like a college fraternity party in many, many ways…though with bikes!

    Any chance Craig offered Stan a finish line bride, Vino style?

  • MattHurst

    Wild show!

  • Strippers? Is this how we encourage women’s cycling now?

    This is appalling.

    • cthenn

      dude, relax.

    • Wily_Quixote

      “This shortcut took you on an old bus filled with male and female strippers.”

      It seems equitable in it’s salaciousness and juvenility, if that helps.

      • Not really, no.

        • Wily_Quixote

          It was a non-UCI event; there was a gender distribution of ‘strippers’ (although no transgender, so far as i am aware) and a gender distribution of competitors. it appears from the event that the entire ‘race’ was taken less than seriously and that the ‘strippers’ were part of the atmosphere.

          Although, i see the entire thing as juvenile it is a long stretch to describe it as sexist and misogynist, which is what you seem to be implying.

          If there were only female strippers, or female competitors were forced to perform salacious acts, or were required by the race organisors to dress or perform a certain way for the arousal of male viewers I think that you would have a point.

          I agree that strippers are distasteful but the only way that your objection holds is if the presence of female strippers is worse for women than the presence of male strippers is to men; or, that the presence of male strippers is worse for women than the presence of female strippers is to men. Then the objection is not about the objectification of women but the mental suffering of the female competitors being subjected to scantily clad adults of one, or both, genders.

          Given that access to the strip bus with male and female strippers was voluntary, and required a $1 impost, there was no forced viewing of ‘strippers’ only voluntary viewing of strippers. Given that there were (reportedly) equal distribution of genders in the strip performers in the bus it cannot be construed as anything more then equally demeaning to both sexes. UNless a female competitor stumbled unawares upon the bus or the strippers in question were coerced i think that this is a case of storm+teacup.

          Personally, I am more concerned about podium ‘girls’ at the TdF and what it says about cycling in 2016.

          • “the only way that your objection holds is if the presence of female strippers is worse for women than the presence of male strippers is to men”

            Which is in fact the case, given the ongoing, widespread, everyday objectification of women in society, and the contribution that makes to keeping women disenfranchised and oppressed.

            If women were not subject to such sexism every day, then it wouldn’t be a problem, in the same way that male strippers are not a problem for the majority of men. Since that is not the case, it is very much a problem.

            • Wily_Quixote

              No woman was forced to view a stripper, male or female. if you are asserting that the mere presence of female strippers, sight unseen, is sufficient to oppress women, that is possible – I suppose.

              You do, of course, have evidence to back up this assertion. I presume that the female strippers and female competitors might have an opinion as well. I think that CT should investigate this and I presume that, if the female competitors and female strippers were to say that it does not affect their, or other women’s attitudes towards cycling – than you might have to accept that.

              Unless you know better than women in this regard, of course.

              • Go ask the competitors and the strippers anything you want, it has no bearing on why this is problematic.

                It’s not about if women (or men) were offended by the female (or male) strippers. It doesn’t matter what one person or another, male or female, individually thinks. It’s that the presence of the female strippers maintains the normalcy of the objectification of women in society, which (to repeat myself) is a significant factor in keeping women disenfranchised and oppressed.

                This is well known by anyone who as read anything about stamping out sexism. If you haven’t, and hence still need some evidence, go google “objectification dehumanisation sexism”, you won’t have any trouble finding any.

                • Wily_Quixote

                  irrespective of what you have written it is not your opinions that matter it is whether you can demonstrate that the very presence of female strippers (alongside men) is sufficient to hinder women in cycling. T

                  Any argument that the presence of strippers is sufficient to cause this is tangential at best.
                  That women are involved in contributing, organising and competing is not
                  irrelevant – it is central. Ought not women be consulted as to their
                  attitudes towards how this event might contribute towards women in
                  cycling? Given that they are the ones that your assertions pertain to. I presume that these strippers in question were volunteers – this is not a case of exploitation and commodification of the female body, or if it is, it also pertains to the male body.

                  Moreover, this wasn’t a UCI event so so far as I can tell it is a private event that is tangential to organised cycling. You may as well object to strippers at the Sydney mardi Gras, or at a private party.

                  Or, Is it the reporting that you object to? Should this then be censored?

                  Overwrought and sanctimonious comes to mind when reading your comments. you can’t wave the lack of evidence in your arguments away.

                  • Cool story bro.

                    • Wily_Quixote

                      Congratulations.
                      Over-reacting in this way just makes it harder to act against true cases of objectification and inequity, such as podium girls and equal prize money.
                      It actually does nothing for equality in cycling to conflate commodification of women with consensual activities.

                      Every time a true case is made against discrimination in cycling the message gets drowned out by over-reactions such as this and actual discrimination gets called ‘Politically Correct’ or ‘nanny state’.

                      No it’s not a bit of harmless fun to harass women or leer at them at the podium, but it is a bit of harmless fun for women to use their own bodies how they wish, including dressing as strippers and dressing up on the bike during the race – or in fact doing whatever they want with their bodies – without requiring your permission to do so.

                      So, congratulations on being part of the problem.

                      Bro.

                    • Will

                      Go fight against some actual inequality keyboard warrior.

            • jules

              it seems unlikely that the strippers at this event were contributing to the objectification of women in any way comparable to stripping in a bar.

    • Rodrigo Diaz

      Does the presence of male strippers reduce your outrage?

    • Alex Burgess

      I managed arguably the most successful American professional women’s cyclocross program of the ’00s and my racers demanded we attend the Mt Snow races in VT (they were MTB races and most of my athletes were dual MTB/CX competitors) because they were so much fun. I asked why. “The annual (unsanctioned and after-hours) NUDE RACES OF COURSE!”

      Literally, co-ed nude professional athletes racing their steeds naked save helmets, arm/leg/knee warmers, and sponsor-provided clear glasses (it was chilly after all, at least that’s what the male athletes demanded) in circles for cash prices. Back then, no one gave a shit about females racing. Yet, our athletes, quite a few of whom raced on behalf of the US at the CX World Championships, demanded they race at MT Snow.

      In short, get off your high horse and go lube that dildo in your closet. Remember, these are extremely fit, YOUNG self-confident men and women who do what extremely fit, YOUNG, self-confident men and women do to have fun and release steam.

      Please continue to focus your positive energy on the money making-side of the sport.

    • Simone Giuliani

      Michael, you are entitled to your views about what is and isn’t appropriate, but accusing this article and by implication the women who wrote (Anne-Marije) and edited it (me) of condoning the harassment of women is just taking it way too far and is unreasonable. Happy to have a reasoned discussion, but not happy to engage further when such an antagonistic approach is taken.

      • campirecord

        Just 1cm away from losing control like a few years ago with fat ridiculous drunk reps at cross Vegas. Looks fun bro, until bro feelings go a wire and dickies show their true stupidity. I have no problem with this show, I just don’t think USA can handle mature sexual equal fun. Also, kind of boring, NO ?

      • If you can’t see or care about the connection between this and this: https://cyclingtips.com/2016/12/for-female-cyclists-street-harassment-is-a-real-concern/ then there’s nothing I can do about that.

        I am obliged to call out sexism when I see it, however.

        • Connor Terry

          Why does it not surprise me that you would be the wanker that rides in the middle of the road and gives cyclists a bad name? Awesome article guys, very well written and definitely includes no sexism at all.

        • Rodrigo Diaz

          I don’t see the connection between a woman harrassed in the street and co-ed willing participants in a prank event having some fun.

          Sexism and sexual harrassment are big problems. This is hardly one example. But I bet you also didn’t like the latest Mad Max movie because women get shot at.

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