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  • David9482

    UCI doesn’t listen to the riders…. the new rules don’t change anything…

    They should add a recommendation (but, note NOT a requirement) “cars and motos shall not hit riders”. It’s just as effective as this document.

    • velocite

      I scanned those rules and found them interesting. Other than as a fan I’m not involved in racing, so I have no useful comment to make, so..are there rules that should have been included that were not, David?

      • David9482

        The rules seem interesting, but they appear to really confirm the current level of cars/motos without making significant changes that would alter the current danger level.

  • Said EL BANNI

    the main problem for me is the high number of motorbikes in races. from the pess to the uci commissaires, sometimes there is more bikes than riders.

    • There very well could be too many motos (I’m not sure) but most are there for very good reason. Without them we would not get television coverage and photography. For a good perspective from one of the in-race photographers, have a read/listen to this: https://cyclingtips.com/2016/03/a-candid-chat-with-a-moto-photographer-antoine-demoities-death-and-what-happens-next/

      To give you an idea of what some of the purpose of the race convoy is:

      https://cyclingtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/MG_8041.jpg

      • David9482

        I think the solution isn’t to reduce number of motos, but to INCREASE them. The problem usually lies when a moto or vehicle is PASSING because it has to do double-duty. For example, if that one moto didn’t have to pass the peloton because a moto ahead of the group could do the work, then there would not be the risk of accident.

        • Shane Stokes

          Good point, David…

          • David9482

            Thanks, I get good ideas on occasion.

          • Paul Rosi

            That is just a ridiculous suggestion and simply increases the risks. Shane for you to suggest this is a good point is incredibly surprising.

            As stated by a commentator immediately after Antoine Demoitiè fatality, “in one TV shot I counted 10 motos. There is no need for there to be that many around a solo breakaway rider in any race”. Don’t forgot, this death had nothing to do with passing motos – it ran him over after the cyclist had crashed. Eliminate (yes, this won’t be acceptable to anyone) or reduce is the only way to truly reduce the level of risk. Failing that, as the cyclist speed increases, so must the distance of vehicle proximity to bikes.

            • Shane Stokes

              Paul, I presume that David is referring to the marshal motorbikes; those that are ahead of the riders closing down junctions, etc. They are not moving at the time that the riders reach them. It’s pretty clear his suggestion is aimed at reducing the amount of bikes passing the peloton, not increasing the number of bikes near riders; I can’t see anything wrong with that.

              • Paul Rosi

                Shane, basic and accepted principles of safety need to be applied to reduce the risks.
                The “hierarchy of controls” are what I’m talking about and adding more moto’s is the total opposite to the principle and a crazy way of thinking.
                Eliminating the hazard—physically removing it—is the most effective hazard control. If that can’t be achieved, work on substitutes, then engineering controls. The least effective measures are administrative things (seemingly most of what the new UCI controls are about) and lastly personal protective equipment.
                There’s a greater awareness of the safety problems in races now but I’m afraid in the heat of the moment, such as sudden cyclist crash in the peleton, your still left with the human reactions and high potential of vehicles coming into contact with riders. It does not matter what circumstances David refers, adding more motos is only adding additional risks!!

      • mcalista

        Interesting diagram – thanks for posting Wade.

  • DaveRides

    Typical fluff from Crookson. Is it something at the UCI or the continued pressure on British Cycling which needs a distraction this time?

    For a change that would bring real improvements, relocate the second set of team cars to start in front of the race and issue an absolute ban on team cars overtaking a group of more than 20 riders at any time. By starting in front, the second set of team cars can slot into position behind a breakaway by simply pulling over on the side of the road and waiting for the breakaway – much safer than overtaking the whole peloton from behind, and they’ll actually get into position earlier. Alternatively, if a team wants a car to support a group that’s been dropped by the first peloton they could pull over the front car to join the first peloton while the rear car waits to join the dropped group.

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