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  • cthenn

    I have nothing to offer on the subject, but the quality of that photo is magnificent! Ultra HD still shot!

    • Rob

      Check out old mate in the top right behind the guy in maroon shirt. Sadface man at the most exciting point of the race…. #pensivegaze #hellodarknessmyoldfriend

      • Damien Cook

        Relaxed……as a newt!

    • santiagobenites

      Kramon’s work is truly fantastic!

  • Ryan S

    Rule 1.3.007 is one of the most violated rules out there.

    Less we forget, the current hour record was set on a bike featuring one-off parts – not even prototype – and UCI allowed it.

    • Rodrigo Diaz

      True. I still have an email to then UCI’s Technical Coordinator, Julien Carron, regarding the exclusive availability of some equipment to certain riders – in that case, it was the aero Kask helmets GB / Sky used for a couple of years exclusively. Lots of ways to weasel out of the “publicly available equipment” rule.

      • Robert Merkel

        Team GB are a serial offender on this. Remember Wiggo and Cav’s London Olympics bikes?

        Are there any of those in private ownership? Even one?

        • Wily_Quixote

          Fixies are a thing now.
          I have this bike with DH flats that I ride to the shops and cafes in Wodonga.
          My time to the cafe has decreased by 33 seconds, albeit with drops fitted and not TT bars.
          I do get some strange looks from roadies, apparently riding in king gee work trousers and sporting a bushranger beard is far from de rigeur when riding a $20000 track bike.

          • Rodrigo Diaz

            LOL. You reminded me of the BikeSnobNYC photos of the “Lone Wolf” with one of the 1996 Atlanta frames from the US team.

            • Wily_Quixote

              I have to look that up now….. serious chutzpah to ride an ex-Olympic bike….

        • noob_sauce

          Are the Olympics covered by UCI rules in the first place?

      • DaveRides

        Other UCI rules appear to treat the helmet as part of a rider’s apparel, not as part of “bicycles and their accessories” which has the production rule.

        • Rodrigo Diaz

          Interesting. That was not part of the reply I got from Msr. Carron at the time, maybe there is latitude of interpretation as you state. To be fair, most of his response was in regard to the UCI sticker rule that was quite stressful for small bike brands. I’m still racing a grandfathered pre-sticker frame!

          • DaveRides

            To say there is “latitude of interpretation” in UCI rules is to put it extremely middle!

    • Colin Smith

      Potentially bigger issue, has the rim brake frame even been through it’s UCI approval?
      I know the frame has the sticker on it, but there’s no separate rim brake model on the latest (30 March) approved list ;-)

  • Larry @CycleItalia

    I just hope the team can provide a bike with a chain that stays on the chainrings/sprockets. Forza Boonen!

    • DaveRides

      QSF is one of the teams which does not have a groupset sponsor and has to purchase their components.

      Teams with sponsorship from Shimano/SRAM/Campagnolo didn’t seem to have the same issue.

      • Larry @CycleItalia

        Dunno whether I’d agree that teams who get paid to use certain groupsets have less issues – but QS’ issues make me wonder what’s holding up FSA (who does pay them to use their stuff I believe) with their groupset? Based on your theory it should be “problem solved”, though I seem to remember that “Manx Missile” fellow being not too happy with some of their stuff back when he was on that team. If memory serves me, it was front shifting/chainring issues then as well?

        • DaveRides

          My point about purchased Shimano vs sponsored Shimano was meant to be tongue in cheek ;-)

          Everything has gone quiet on the FSA groupset, despite it being shown off at the Tour de France last year. Looks like that stuff is harder than they thought it would be.

  • chronsbons

    can we all just stop bullshitting about wheel changes?
    They rarely happen any more now that lawyer tabs are back and teams a running all sorts of different rim widths. full bike change is what happens 90% of the time and even then it can usually only be a team supplied bike due to a handful of different pedals being used by teams.

    • cthenn

      That’s actually true, I hardly ever see a wheel change involving the neutral service vehicle. Although the cameras are usually on the leaders, so maybe it happens a lot back in the bunch. But if that’s true, then why didn’t Boonen use his disc bike? He’s one of the main guys “promoting” disc brakes, along with Kittel.

      • DaveRides

        They do happen though – remember Richie Porte’s bad change which lost him time at the Tour de France last year?

        Each team can only have one or two (depending on the race) support cars in the race convoy, and having a car dedicated to one rider is a huge gamble. Neutral service cars and motos can get into gaps in the race that team cars cannot (e.g. Porte’s wheel change and Froome’s issue on Mont Ventoux) so even having the first car dedicated to a team leader can’t make neutral service obsolete.

        Keep in mind that there’s a lot more stage racing seen on TV in terms of hours shown each year, and the more formulaic progression of stage races means the team cars can usually (but not necessarily on big climbs) be in the right position to support their important riders.

      • Superpilot

        Roubaix has sections where vehicles aren’t allowed, plus much of it is skinny so the convoy cars have to follow whatever riders are in front. This can mean significant delays waiting for the convoy cars for a spare bike. This is much worse than wide open race roads like the middle east or even sprint finishes where the bunch is large and tightly packed.

        Teams also put on more soigneur cars that go around the outsides of the route, and the soingeurs will stand with wheels at the end of key sections. It would be impractical to have spare bikes on top of the convoy cars and soinguer cars, that is a lot of bikes!

        So disks will ironically only come to the races where they are most practical in terms of added tire width and brake consistency in varied conditions once there is an agreed upon neutral service standard for disks, meaning a majority of teams on them.


        • ebbe

          Spot on! And additionally, giving the soigneurs a whole spare bike might even be considered illegal, as it’s almost the same as “taking a bike from the side of the road”

          • DaveRides

            There is actually a rule for this, what it is or isn’t like doesn’t come into it.

            2.3.029 Technical Support

            Riders may only receive technical support from the technical personnel of their team or from one of the neutral support cars or else from the broom wagon.
            In the event of any change of bicycle during a race, the bicycle abandoned by the rider must in all cases be recovered either by vehicles accompanying the race, team vehicles, a neutral service vehicle or by the sag-wagon.
            Mechanical assistance at fixed locations on the course is limited to wheel changes only except for races on a circuit where bike changes can be made in the authorized zones.
            Any mechanical assistance which fails to meet the obligations above will result in the disqualification of the rider either immediately, or after the race if proven by any means and verified by the commissaires (article 12.1.001).

            • ebbe

              Ah yes, that’s the one. Seems to me that leaving a bike with the soigneurs is useless, for the rider won’t be allowed to accept it anyway. IIRC, Olga Zabelinskaya was DQ’d in the RIO2016 road race using this rule

              • DaveRides

                That is incorrect on two counts.

                1. Circuit races have a technical zone (sometimes more than one) on the side of the road, as a replacement for the second team car which is not allowed in races on a circuit. A mechanic from the car can also get out to service a rider and then be picked up by the car on the following lap.

                2. Ilnur Zakarin and Olga Zabelinskaya didn’t even get to go to Rio, as the Russian cycling federation decided to pull them out rather than challenge the IOC’s illegal special rule which was later overturned by another athlete’s challenge.

                2 (a) OZ did get disqualified from the world championship road race in Qatar later in the year, but that was for drafting cars rather than non-regulation mechanical service.

    • Superpilot

      Nah bro, it only seems to happen 90% of the time. The domestiques with flats wait at the back. Generally what you see on the telly are the front runners, and only see them get a bike if they are a favourite, which is why they are getting the TV time. Especially at Roubaix, too many flats to change bikes every time.

    • Larry @CycleItalia

      But Tommeke gets only ONE more shot at becoming the undisputed “Mr. Roubaix”. Would you risk that just to help the Big-S marketing-mavens promote their disky-braked bicycle? We all saw how quickly he was out of contention with the bike change last Sunday – his final chance at Flanders. When all the disc hype started with Boonen at the beginning of the season I thought “he’ll never take that risk in his final two monuments”. Would you?

  • jdrs19700101

    While I appreciate that the UCI is being coy about what the penalties might be for infringement, is there any precedent? Has this rule been infringed and then had a ruling from the disciplinary commission before? It would be interesting to know if the rule has ever been exercised in practice.

    • DaveRides

      They are being coy because there is no fixed penalty, and the allowing of pre-production equipment (for up to 12 months plus an extension if applied for) means it will be well beyond the reach of the race commissaires anyway.

      It can only be dealt with by referral to the UCI Disciplinary Commission, where they will have the discretion to set the penalty if the rider/team/manufacturer cannot talk fast enough to convince them it became publicly available at some point.

  • Neil_Robinson

    Are there still team garage sales at the end of races?

    My only exposure was after the Lygon St crit (final stage) of Herald Sun Tour in Melbourne… I think that stopped after the race moved to the start of the season.

    • duckingtiger

      Cannondale (Slipstream Sports) and Canyon sponsored teams (Movistar + Katusha) always have pro bikes for sale on their website at the end of each season. Valverde and J-Rod bikes were on sale last December.

  • Brent Sword

    I,m not sure either of these things breaks the rules. Either in spirit or technicality. Custom geometry is as old as bike racing. Remember once upon a time they all road hand made bikes (by hand made I mean not on a production line). If the tubes are still about the same then its still the same bike just different geometry. Brakes are not in my opinion an inherent part of the bike. They are just a component that can be changed (I do realise it would require some extra modification in this case). As long as the rim brake can be bought separately I don’t see this as an issue. I changed a bike from v brakes to campy road brakes (had to drill some holes). It was still the same bike, just different brakes.

    • Larry @CycleItalia

      All well and good EXCEPT I don’t think there was a rule back then requiring the punters be able to buy the same bike. I’d argue against the idea “if the tubes are still about the same then its still the same bike” Do you really believe that? But don’t get me wrong, the pros having bikes that actually fit them is fine by me, it’s the hypocrisy of the UCI in cohoots with the industry marketing-mavens that I dislike.

  • dllm

    Where to buy Conti Pro Ltd tires?

    • DaveRides

      They appear to be focusing on the “practising cycling as a sport” part of the rule, rather than the “sold for use by anyone.”


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