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  • DaveRides

    The Giro d’Italia already has this, and a variety of other minor classifications. There’s no jersey for it because a shoddy family business in Aigle says WorldTour races can only have four leader’s jerseys, but the competition still exists.

    Making team radio one way only (rider to team) would be a better improvement to the spectacle.

    • ebbe

      Precisely! Arguing for the introduction of a “combativity jersey” also entails answering the question: “So which of the current jerseys should go then?” Or, alternatively: “How are we going to convince the UCI to change this rule?”

  • Jon Bayley

    Would be a great idea. Riders have built their image on it in recent years. Jens Voigt, Tommy Voekler, Steve Cummings and the likes made the racing more exciting. 14th July is always a good day to watch as you know the stage will favour a breakaway upset and all the French riders will be going all in to make it them.

  • Stewie Griffin

    Ehm, there is a supercombative. It takes in account the most kilometers in the breakaway, De Gendt is now leading with 580 km’s in the attack, in front of Backaert with 551 km in the attack. So basically, you are asking for a classification, that already exists and the supercombative has a prize at the end aswell.
    The only change, would be the jersey.

    • Neal Rogers

      Hey Stewie, the supercombative is not a classification in that there is no jersey, there is no daily podium presentation, it’s not recognized in the daily press communique (http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2017/us/communiques-de-presse.html), nor is it presented on LeTour.fr website (see attached image). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc04e6c48ea4ac577c042931c1e8d8a40e40077ef8f38e0ec4782418087a451a.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e84859d39de29c5a0c971ad888754e876c15bb42e5bb1359bd01bf9e859bd3af.png

      • DaveRides

        It is at the very end of the three weeks, because it is only awarded at the end of the race.

        See last year’s stage 21 communique for example: http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2016/docs/communiques/_TDF_20160724_2100_Press_Release.pdf

        • Stewie Griffin

          yeah, but apparantly the 679km’s De Gendt rode in the attack last year didn’t count either, because they gave the supercombative & €20 000 prize to Romain Bardet. The same Romain Bardet that didn’t receive a penalty this week.. Long live Giro & Vuelta..

          • DaveRides

            ???

            It was awarded to Peter Sagan last year, not Bardet. Fair call too, as he made the race a lot more than TDG’s kilometres off the front did.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29f3816dc77731e72eccb61867cc4f0c627a91ff5b19e4736e1662c0cf35907f.png

            • Stewie Griffin

              Arg, 2015 I meant. Super combative going to Sagan last year was correct.
              In 2015 it should have gone to De Gendt and since he has the most kilometers in the attack this year + his work at leading the peloton for over a 500k’s chasing breaks.. Some crazy attacks need to be launched in the final week :)

              • DaveRides

                If I remember correctly (deliberately not looking it up) 2015 was the year when Bardet made a name for himself by lighting up the mountain stages and winning one solo in the Alps, right? I thought that was a fair call, his run in that Tour was a lot more memorable than anything TDG did.

          • Michele

            Yeah, cause neither the Giro, nor the Vuelta have ever seemed to favour homegrown riders.

        • Neal Rogers

          Sure, but the point of the story was that it should receive the same level of prominence of as the other classifications, and be based on data. As it is, it’s a bit of an afterthought, and the daily dossard award is subjective, voted on by the race organization.

          • Stewie Griffin

            true, but the daily dossards have been more “correct” this year, than they have been in the past where even the most wheel sucking French in the break, would get it. More encouragment for more agressive racing is always welcome.

          • DaveRides

            At a time when the racing is getting more and more robotic, there’s a place for an award that keeps it human.
            Maybe it only needs to be refined, rather than replaced. Going over to Brownlow Medal voting (3-2-1 to the best three riders each day) would allow you to have both a daily winner and an overall classification.

            The beauty of the subjective awards is that while it is often an afterthought on the cookie cutter flat stages, there are occasional times that it’s a memorable award. Think of when they awarded it jointly to Martin and Alaphilippe last year for their two man TT, or when they gave it to Hoogerland and Flecha after the barbed wire fence incident.

            If it has to be data driven (I don’t think it does) then it should be better than the simplistic kilometres-off-the-front classification in the Giro d’Italia which is such a blunt instrument that it deserves to be a minor classification. A points scale that takes into account all of the events that make the race might go along the lines of:
            Kilometre in the break: 0.5 point
            Win intermediate sprint from a break: 10 points
            Win cat2/3/4 climb from a small group: 10 points
            Win cat1 climb from a small group: 15 points
            Win HC climb from a small group: 20 points
            Win stage from a long break: 80 points
            Win stage from a late attack: 60 points
            15+km leading the peloton: 5 points
            Bridge from peloton to break: 10 points

            If we want to really shake it up, go completely the opposite direction and make it an online public vote each day like the Driver of the Day award in Formula 1. The public vote for DOTD usually gets it right, with a storming drive through the field being more likely to get the vote than a flag-to-flag unchallenged drive in the lead.

  • Crompensation

    Why do they need another jersey for the breakaway they already have one its got spots on it.

  • Roger That

    Great idea, however I’d call it the ‘Shut Up Legs!’ jersey.

  • Wily_Quixote

    “The first few times Team Sky displayed its chokehold it was indeed a sight to see. I was impressed with bold displays of strength, cohesion, and craft. After a few years of this formula, I’ve grown tired. Not bored, mind you…”

    Try watching it during the Team Banesto, ONCE, Telekom, Saeco, US Postal, Discovery and now Team SKY”

    Yes, bored….

    the TdF has not been an interesting race in the modern era. Geez the scenery looks good on my new 68cm HD screen, though.

  • Larry @CycleItalia

    i doubt adding another jersey competition will do much. Back-in-the-day they had a pile of them to hand out at the end of each stage. I think it’s a case of less-is-more. I agree with those who say getting rid of radio-controlled racing would be a far better idea.

  • The GCN guys had some interesting thoughts after the Hammer series. What if you introduce huge time bonuses (or point bonuses) on the mid stage climbs? All of a sudden the peloton would be more inclined to take those climbs. Granted, this would go against the point of getting more riders to care about going for break aways. Perhaps a you could reward those huge extra bonuses to team competitions?

    In this tour I’ve really enjoyed the short stage, where “everything” happened, but in general it’s been fun to watch. Not so much the predictable flats without any cross winds or cobbles.

  • Paul Jakma

    “they cannot … keep Team Sky from buying up all the best talent.”

    Uhm, why not? Rules on limiting the effect of money on the sport are present in other sports, directly and indirectly. They are already present in cycling too, e.g. via the 6.8 kg weight limit on bicycles. It should be more than possible to bring in rules to cap the power of dominant teams to buy up the best riders. Cap the budget of teams, to some (lowish) multiple of the std.dev. of team budgets, or cap just the budget of the teams that have been dominant in a previous season for the next.

    It’s definitely /possible/.

  • Jason Kraus

    I like it. Let’s do it.

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