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  • Superpilot

    Wait, no neutral service or sag wagon with spares in the biggest tour on the Womens calendar? Oh dear, is it really that bad?

    • DaveRides

      It may be that it had passed her, like what happened to Tyler Farrar at the TDU (a UCI WorldTour event) which resulted in the rules being waived for his completing the race on a spectator’s bike.

      But if there wasn’t, surely that was known beforehand. So why hadn’t the teams clubbed together to organise a neutral car themselves, perhaps one team supplying the car, another couple the personnel and a bunch of bikes on the roof selected to cover a range of the major pedal options?

      This sounds like it is another example of the big problem holding back women’s cycling – that everyone is waiting for someone else to do the work and nobody is taking responsibility.

    • zosim

      The sag wagon in the TDF doesn’t carry spares either. Given the Giro is at the same time as the Tour maybe Mavic are fully committed already but shimano have neutral service too at other events. It had occurred to me that having the only women’s grand tour at the same time as the biggest race in the world seems a little silly.

      • DaveRides

        At races other than those run by ASO, the neutral service cars are sponsored by companies other than Mavic – including Shimano, SRAM and Vittoria.

        They are usually local mechanics in the cars, not a centralised squad.

        • zosim

          I know, which is why I updated (possibly whilst you were posting). The thing is I’ve seen Shimano’s cars at the tour as well as those of SRAM so it starts to limit options. The teams, possibly, could demand a better neutral service at the Giro or they could ask that it’s moved. There’s far more chance of some focus on the women’s race if it’s not competing for column inches with the Tour.

          • DaveRides

            The Shimano/SRAM sponsor support crews (seen servicing sponsored teams at the Tour) have absolutely nothing to do with providing neutral service at other races. At races where the car is sponsored by Shimano/SRAM, the cars are not owned by Shimano/SRAM (they are provided by the race organiser’s car supplier) and they have locally organised crew on board, usually mechanics from local shops or lower-level racing teams in the host country.

            Mavic is the only company which actually operates a neutral service team in-house.

            If the WWT teams want better, the best option would be to take it over themselves and pool their resources. If you have each car supplied by one team and manned by two mechanics from others, you only need twelve teams to contribute a small amount each to supply four shared service cars. Please someone steal this idea.

      • Anne-Marije Rook

        There was neutral service but they had already passed her. Also, Sunweb is a Velon team.

        • DaveRides

          Ah, so it’s the same as the Farrar incident last year but without the conveniently located spectator.

          The Velon team issue is an interesting one, as there’s not yet any indication that Velon is interested in expanding into extending whatever it is they do into women’s racing – perhaps because they still aren’t sure what it is they do even for men’s racing.

          A women’s copy of Velon would surely need to be a completely separate company to Velon, since there are only two women’s teams which are linked to Velon member WorldTour teams. Being completely separate would be to the advantage of getting involvement from teams like Wiggle and WM3 which aren’t linked to Velon member WorldTour teams, and also help with sorting out the issue that some of the UCI Women’s Teams with links to WorldTour teams have actual organisational links (e.g. Sunweb) while others simply share a naming rights sponsor (e.g. Lotto-Soudal).

          I’m in favour of actual links, by the way, and previously suggested that the best way to improve salaries for women riders might be for WorldTour promotion/relegation to include the points gained by salaried riders on a linked women’s team in Women’s WorldTour races. Unfortunately the dropping value of the WorldTour (even lower than 48 hours ago with the Sagan disqualification fiasco) over the last couple of years means this would not be as effective as it could have been a couple of years ago before certain changes to the WorldTour.

  • Cyco

    That is insane that there isn’t a spare available if you are out of the main bunch.

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